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Finished fiddle, broken tail.

Well, I finally got the 'cigar box' fiddle built. Everything looked good, the instrument tuned up well and seemed to remain in tune. The bridge was a bit out but as easily adjusted although a new one would have been better as the one used was a reclaimed item from a 3/4 violin.

So, new bridge and some fine tuners were ordered and ,when they arrived, were quickly fitted to the fiddle. All seemed good for a second time and the fiddle seemed to play well. I sat down this morning and the tail piece broke. Cracked across the tail strap mounting holes. Startled me I can tell you!

A standard, black tail piece was quickly fitted. The ones that have fine tuners built into the tail piece. Not my idea of style or elegance, but the only style that I have in my spares box.

Also this week I have managed to get two foot pedals from an old drum kit. The hi-hat style has been fitted with a tambourine whilst a vertical 'stomp box' has been fitted to the drum pedal.

Drumming is something that I've done a little of (a long time ago) but playing an instrument whilst keeping a rhythm is not as easy as it sounds - well not for me at the moment at the moment - although I'm improving with each song.

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vintage boxes?

a friend told me about a flea market that had some cigar boxes....stopped in and scored a couple of nice ones, but the lagniappe box I picked up i think is vintage, but I'm not really sure. It has a 'Jockey Club' logo embossed on the top and front side. There is also a logo with a horse in it that says 'The Winner'. Anyone know anything about this particular box? It's not all that big, but I think it would make a fine ukulele. I'll try to get a picture of it and post it up so that may help. Thanks in advance!
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So much to do, so little time.



Hello to you all,

I realise that, as I get older and starting to think about the time that I will retire from work, the time spent at work means that there is less time to build instruments.


I work a really antisocial shift system that means that when I am not working I am usually catching up with sleep and performing all of those domestic toils that take time to complete. The result of these household happenings results in the lack of time for building and playing guitar box and junk instruments.

I have recently finished a 3 string biscuit tin fiddle and I am just adding the final tweaks to a 4 string cigar box fiddle but............

There is the biscuit tin soprano ukulele that was started about a year ago that is gathering dust on the workbench. There is the stand up bass that I want to be able to play with a bow. There is the 'stick' violin idea that I have. The 5 string tin banjo has remained untouched for too long and the playing, rehearsal and recording of songs has for far too long been something that I have failed to address.

I noticed a quote on a website the other day. 'How many guitars should one person own?' Just one more.......
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to fret or not to fret ???????????

hi guys and gals. i am now at the stage of my tin box guitar build were i have to make the choice to fret or not to fret?i just realy dont have a clue what would be best. should i string it up and see if the notes ring fretless or just go for it ? and make myself alot more work.im planing to play slide and a few chords .i would love to hear what works best.ps this is only my 2nd build ,the 1st i used a neck from a broken guitar so all the fretting was already done. thanks dan
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THE BRITS ARE HERE!!!

Glad to be here with all you guys and girls..i,ve been a musician for 40 years and i,m still forming bands and recording my music which has gone from basic blues thru everything and come back to the origins of these primal instruments..i,m about to embark on my first attempt at C.G.B .. I,ve drawn up my design for my 3 string pick up which i,ll wind myself and i,m in search of the right piece of wood for the neck..i have many many guitars some handmade and some factory but something tells me this one will be a bit special..give my music a try, see if it fits with how you like things. i have some others i,ll put up but i cant wait to record with the cbg..enjoy Geoff
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Ian Siegal and Ben Prestage - Dingwalls 25/11/2010

So Siby and I went to see Ian Siegal supported by Ben Prestage at Dingwalls in Camden Lock. It's only half an hour by cab from home. One of the advantages of living so near to town.

We got to Camden at about 4pm and wandered about for a while. Lots of interesting stalls and shops to look in but not all of them a wheelchair friendly. Had dinner in a Wetherspoons washed down with two Leffe's.

Dingwalls was great. Good view for wheelchairs and right next to a disabled loo so copious amounts of Leffe could be consumed.

Ben Prestage was awesome! Combining Country/Country Blues and Downright down and dirty blues. He is one of most accomplished musicians I have ever been in the same room as! His picking is second to none. He also played his Lowebow and a six stringer CBG (Weed head).

Ian Siegal was also great! Making it up as he goes along and not having a setlist. Tonight he decided to treat us to other peoples songs including Tom Russell and Kris Kistopherson. He also has a very direct way with the audience! Such as telling the ones talking at the bar to shut the f*ck up and to go back and talk at the 24 hour gas station where they work.

The encore saw both men take the stage for four songs. Can't Be Satisfied, Fulsom Prison Blues, I'm Ready and You Gotta Move, Ben Prestage ripped the roof off the place with some lightening fast and precise picking on his Les Paul.

There are two more dates on the tour. Wrexham tonight and finishing in Leicester on Saturday night! Go and see them if you have a chance.
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arrrrrrrrrrhhhhh!!!!!!

hi guys and gals! had a nightmere today .after 3 hours of careful cutting on a realy nice vintage tin, neck slots, hole for pick ups and jacks etc, i was well happy with the results.however i was not best pleased when 15 minits later , out of the window i could see my 3 and 6 year olds jumping up and down on the said tin.my falt left the shed door open after going for a brew.never mind lesson learned!more buicuits to buy doh.
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Another Brit

Anyone local to my home in rural west Norfolk ?I'd like to hookup with any like minded CBG players and builders who can point me in the right direction to help me learn to play and then build my own custom CBG.Thanks.ian drury
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other musical influences

hi guys and gals !been listening to alot of hollowbelly recently,which got me thinking who /what influeces other peoples cbg music and playing ,as hb is punk and blues and a raw sound ,what would your tastes be? my music taste outside of cb blues is quite wide eg i could listed to son house ,nirvana,rory gallager,and the cramps all in the same hour.
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bottle neck problems

hi guys thanks for all the good advice onyour comments.i now have another problem!i have recently perfected the art of cutting my own bottle necks.but i find the bur/casting lines that run up each side of the slide very annoying wilst playing is there any way i can polish these out?ps the kids have found the buiscuits ,one tin already gone sorry turkish youl have to be quicker next time lol.
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ROLL UP ROLL UP COME SEE THE FREAK

I climb into the Bellybus, beneath rainy British skies and set off for Europe.Little do I know the rain wont stop for the entire trip.Tonight I'll be staying 200 miles away at DJ Hillfunks gaff in Kent before we both head on out to Europe.That evening Hilly takes me to play a short set at a bar in Kent.The bar owner looks chuffed to nick to have me there, and it serves me well as a warm up for tomorrows festival.

The next day we cross beneath the English channel, the Eurotunnel is gift for people like me as I only have to look at a boat to get seasick.We are on foreign soil in no time, and after a short while driving along the French coast we head southeast and cross the border into Belgium.We arrive at the festival site-there are flightcases upon flightcases of gear getting unloaded from big trucks-its all very pro.We are greeted warmly and looked after as one is at such events-handed backstage passes,drinks,complimentary tees,a gift of Belgian beers and so on.I'm told they found me on the internet and 'like the honesty of what I do'.The main hall is huge and this is where the main acts will play-my job consists of playing three sets throughout the evening in the adjacent tent/marquee-the idea being that as they change gear on the main stage between acts they need someone to fill the downtime-thats me.some punters will drift into the tent and watch me before returning for the next main act in the hall.

The possible problems I might face start to surface in my mind..am I supposed to do 3 identical sets, as different punters will drift in each time-or am I supposed to do 3 different sets? I have 45 minutes worth of material and three 30 minute sets to do- do the maths and I'm in deep doo doo.What if the second set attracts half of people who have already seen me and half who haven't-do I tell them who I am again, do I talk about cbg's again or not bother-it seems a little no win..if I talk to them about cigarbox nation I risk boring the people who have heard it before,but if I dont mention it again the punters who didn't hear my first set will miss out.hhmmm.

Well I play my first set-it goes great-I finish with "I think I'm coming home' and 'Black dog', telling them about hospital visits and clinical depression-as some of you may know its pretty intense and I come offstage shaken-my blues (pain) have been delivered and they loved it but as I come offstage with watering eyes I know I wont be singing those songs twice more-its draining and its not an act.As I pass through the crowd that Belgian hospitality/warmth is firmly in evidence-someone thrusts a piece of paper in my hand-on it it he's written 'your belly is maybe empty but your heart is full of blues', I'm extraordinarily touched.Another guy says 'can I give you something?' I say sure and he says 'a hug'-I look at his warm open face and we hug- it is very unbritish and I enjoy the breakdown of the stupid social norm-it doesn't matter that we are men-we are two humans consoling each other.Another guy presses a gift of a bottleneck in my palm.After I've calmed down I sell the first batch of many,many cd's-they all want them signed and it starts to feel normal signing stuff.

I'm due back on in 40 minutes..I still have 6 songs they haven't heard but as you know they're short songs! I pick others from the first set to make up the 30 minutes and decide honesty is the best policy.I get the nod from the soundman and the circus rolls on-I'm pretty proud of the way it gets handled-this set is more light hearted-I tell the audience of my predicament and they smile-this fest has a 10 year history and they probably know the score for the guy in the tent! I tell them its radio hollowbelly on strict rotation-they laugh.some have returned some are new-they clap along, stomp, woop-that damn song 'southside girl' goes down a storm and defies yet again my secret desire to drop it from my set.It goes well and the crowd are with me once more.More cd's get sold, more tees..as I walk into the main hall to grab a quick look at the main acts the size of the place and the turnout is incredible.As I push past the punters I can see people nudging each other and pointing at me, mouthing Hollowbelly and suchlike.People pat me on the back.

At midnight I drift back and stand at the side of the stage like a tired boxer who's past his prime-holy cow there's another round coming up-I'm not Bruce Springsteen, and I curse myself bitterly for not writing/playing the laid back traditional 12 bar blues I've witnessed elsewhere..on the other hand I feel like a pro-its up against the wall time and I like it-I'm working, I'm earning great money and of course this is what its about-hard graft..I'm not in the realms of the bedroom guitar hero no more-this is what its like to earn a living wage no matter what business you're in-it involves good old fashioned hard work.I go back on and play again-I'm tired but I get through it-I give it my last ounce, then there's yet more cd selling and yet more Belgians saying beautiful things..we hear theres a backstage party but its 2am and all I want is my hotel bed.We get back to the castlelike hotel, Hilly clambers into his bed opposite and as I lie in mine I'm aching from the neck down-my head is buzzing but I eventually drift off.

Well dear reader, I met some wonderful people-the Festival organisers were consumately professional and treated me wonderfully.If you ever get the chance to play Blaublues then take it.I would especially like to thank the Belgian people for their support, warmth, enthusiasm, honesty, and passion.It was an absolute honour to play there.

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yumyum

after reciveing some biscuit/cooky tin advice ,i have been down to the shops !now im layden down with 100000 calories worth of biscuits, tough job but someones got to do it.there realy are a lot of very nice tins out there on the run up to christmas.cant what to get stuck in (to the building not the biscuits)
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thanks guys

thanks guys .do tins and cans give a sort of resornator sound? and would you cut sound holes in a tin or would that take the strenth out of the stucture ?
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c b alternatives

hello to all out there ,just wondering how many people use alternative boxes,as i have recently used a beech wood fishing float box & sewing kit boxes for my builds .its real hard to get c bs in the uk so im haveing to use what i can
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I have been playing in open tunings since the 1980s. At first having no understanding of music theory, they appeared to be a vast wasteland that did not yield much bounty. Of course, this is far from the truth. It is all there, but I could not see it.

Currently, I am fasinated by the reduction of the traditional 6 string tunings down to the essential 3 notes that make up a major chord. (A Major Triad contains the 1,3,5 tones from the Major Scale). The very heart of open tuning.

Using a 3 string CBG, I am exploring the triad stacked low to high, 5 1 3 in the key of D (ADf#)

As I will demonstrate in my new series of lessons that a whole system of moveable chords is easily made based on three major chord "shapes" that take their name from a root note on each string. What appears is the same chord, but in three different locations with the 3 notes stacked in a different order (inversions). Although these chords contain the same notes, having the notes stacked in different orders produces a unique "voice" for each chord. This is an important option in arranging.

Examining the 3 traditional open tunings for 6 string guitar, it is possible to see the various options to apply a knowledge of triads

Open D: DADf#ad 1(513)51 15(135)1 151(351) 3 inversions

Open G: DGDgbd 51(513)5 515(135) 2 inversions

Open C: CGCgce 151(513) 1 inversion

Looking above it is possible to see that by understanding a system of movable chords based on a 513 triad this information can be directly applied to all 3 tunings. The fingering will be the same, but the chord names will change due to the differnece of the original tuning key. This information clearifies the relative nature of the 3 basic open tunings.

Additionally, exploring the other inversions (135 and 351) and discovering the system of moveable chords that they create, offers even more possibilities for arranging.

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o m g

went to a ben prestage gig in dery uk last night ,i have never seen such a talented man.pure c b g and country blues , 4 insurments at once plus vocals ,legand ! also had a chat with him absolute gentelman !
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