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Tips On Building A Cigar Box Violin

For those new to cb fiddle building, permit me to share some hard-earned tips to get you started right.

1.   Getting Started:   If you want to build a full-size (4/4) violin, it is critical that you get the correct measurements for the string length from the nut to the bridge, and the height of the bridge must be the same as a real violin. Bear in mind that a violin has an arch top, which raises the bridge height. Your cigar box will have a flat top, so to compensate, you must angle your neck to match the correct angle of a violin. If you do not get this right, your strings will not be the correct height on the neck or at the bridge.

2.   Choosing A Box:   You want to find a box that is long and narrow; the body of a 4/4 violin is about 14" long and about 5 1/2" wide at the bouts. It is critical that it be as narrow as possible, close to a real violin, or your bow will hit the sides of the box when playing on the G or the E strings. Also, a real violin is about 1 & 1/2 " deep, and if you want to attach a chin rest, you will have to cut down the height of the box in order to fit it on.

3.   Creating A Template:   I know this next step is time-consuming and counter-intuitive for those who just like to jump in and build, but neglect this step at your own peril! Once you have chosen your box and adapted it for the correct height, (and this is how I do it: I take the box apart at the hinges, and cut out from the middle section all around the sides, so that when I re-section it, it will be 1 & 1/2" tall.) Next, I stand the box on its side on a large sheet of drawing paper, and draw the outline of the box. Then I locate where the bridge will fall on top of the box, which is determined by the correct tail piece spacing, copied from a violin. I draw the bridge to its full size dimensions. I then lay out the neck, paying careful attention to the correct height of the strings to the neck at the nut and the bridge, and also by getting the correct string length from the nut to the bridge. I transfer all measurements from a 4/4 violin neck so that the neck and fingerboard thicknesses will be the same for the custom neck I will build. NOTE: YOU MUST CREATE YOUR OWN CUSTOM BUILT NECK, as it will be longer than a real violin neck, to make up the difference in the length of your box to that of a 4/4 violin! Once I have drawn out my cb violin to its full size, I can then transfer all measurements for my build, and confirm that the neck is properly angled to be playable.

4.   Building The Neck:   Building the neck is without a doubt the hardest and most time-consuming part, but if you get it right, you will be rewarded with a beautiful violin that will actually play like a violin! I go the whole route, hand carving and tooling the scroll volute by copying from a real violin. It is critical that you make templates for the peg holes from a real violin, and transfer them over. NOTE: CAREFULLY DRILL THE HOLES SMALLER THAN THE PEGS, and use a round file to carefully enlarge each hole to fit the peg. Bear in mind that the peg hole will be slightly larger where the peg goes in than where it comes out, so take your time with each hole. Get it wrong, and you will have to plug and re-drill the holes, which is time-consuming and not as pretty! I create my neck out of 2" x 2" poplar stock, and splicing together two pieces to get the neck angle, but it would be better to use a 2" x 4" piece of wood to cut the neck out of in one piece. This would also make the neck stronger, but either way, the joint will be re-inforced once the neck is glued into the box. At the part of the neck inside the box, I cut away some of the bottom portion, leaving only a bit to touch the bottom of the box at the front and back of the inside of the box. This lets the box sound better and have more volume.

5:   Finishing Up:   Once you have the neck correctly built, the rest is easy! You will follow through much the same as building a cb guitar. I do use a piece of 1/4" dowel rod to build a sound post, set just to the back and right under the bridge. Soundholes can be made up of the same kind of things you'd use on a cb guitar, or you can make a "f" hole template from a 4/4 violin, and cut them out with a sharp knife. If you find that your bow will hit the sides of the box when playing on the outside strings, you may have to cut out some of the top of the box where the bouts would fall. Otherwise, if you have chosen your box carefully, it will be narrow enough to play without too much difficulty! You can create your own fingerboard and tailpiece and pegs, but I prefer to order mine for a more professional look, and you can find these sets online. EBay is a good place to get an entire set for less than $20.


Hope this helps, good luck with your build!

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Having been away...

Well everybody, I've just spent a week or so away at my parents and I suddenly realised how tired and fatigued I was. Dad got himself a cymera (or something like that) which is a trapezium shaped stringed instrument with each string tuned in a diatonic progression. It sounds really tuneful and would be great with a pick up and a bit of distortion.

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I managed to post s pair of photographs of the biscuit tin guitar. A couple of people were kind enough to comment favourably on the solution I came up with in order to solve a bit of a problem with the bridge.

A full size photo of the "cruciform" bridge and of the guitar are

 available on my page on this site.

 

I've been attempting to really learn the Lincolnshire folk tunes on fiddle as I have the opportunity to play for a few minutes at this Friday's (28th January) Plough Inn, Swinderby Jam night. I'd really like to have the chance to play my cigar box fiddle in public for the first time, It'll be a bit of a pox as I shall be working until 21:00 hours.

 

Since I got back from my holiday I have composed a couple of fiddle tunes and published the on TuxGuitar. This is a really good site as you can enter the tune note by note on a screen displayed fret board and the programme automatically prints out the music and the tab. To make sure that you've done it correctly it gives you, when wanted, a midi playback of the music you have inputted. You can also define the tuning of each individual string so slide tunings and alternative tunings can be chosen.

 

Not really cigar box business, but more of a networking thing. I have been asked if I would like to duet on the fiddle with another fiddle player at the Lincoln Drill hall in a few weeks. Hopefully I can somehow get a look in for a future cigar box opener/guest spot

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New year, same XXXX

 

Well there we are, another Christmas gone. There seems to have been so many.

 

I got an invite to play at a local pub (bar) on new years eve as part of their festivities. I played a selection of 1960/1970s English pop classics with a 4 string baritone tuned guitar. One of mine.

Songs included 'Honkey tonk angels', Honkey Tonk Women', 'The Ballad of Lucy Jordan', 'Memphis', Brown eyed handsome man' and 'Promised Land'. Things went well and the Landlord and family at the Plough Inn at Swinderby said they really enjoyed it. The landlord also played as did the owner of the local recording studio and several other musicians and singers.

A good night was had by one and all.

 

T'other day I built a 4 string biscuit tin guitar and was delighted with the sound of the instrument. This one is a really basic instrument with a 600 mm scale length and a fret less neck. Pictures to be added once I am at home during the hours of daylight.

I've also ordered a pair of violin finger boards for future fiddles. They are of good quality (not the best) and cost me about £12 plus a couple of quid (English pounds) for postage.

 

I have been learning some old Lincolnshire folk songs for the fiddle. These include 'Lincoln lads',  'Lincolnshire Hornpipe' and 'As Sure As The Devil's In Lincoln'.

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So much to do, so little time.



Hello to you all,

I realise that, as I get older and starting to think about the time that I will retire from work, the time spent at work means that there is less time to build instruments.


I work a really antisocial shift system that means that when I am not working I am usually catching up with sleep and performing all of those domestic toils that take time to complete. The result of these household happenings results in the lack of time for building and playing guitar box and junk instruments.

I have recently finished a 3 string biscuit tin fiddle and I am just adding the final tweaks to a 4 string cigar box fiddle but............

There is the biscuit tin soprano ukulele that was started about a year ago that is gathering dust on the workbench. There is the stand up bass that I want to be able to play with a bow. There is the 'stick' violin idea that I have. The 5 string tin banjo has remained untouched for too long and the playing, rehearsal and recording of songs has for far too long been something that I have failed to address.

I noticed a quote on a website the other day. 'How many guitars should one person own?' Just one more.......
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