Ok after my third build, fully electric... I was comparing it to my first acoustic pezio, The sound on the first one is really nice, The electric... well it's electric... so here goes...

1. If it's a CBG wouldn't it sound like a CBG if it had a mic in front of it in stead of a pickup?
 otherwise it's just an electric guitar with a box that does nothing except look cool..

2. Does the Pezio give the best of both worlds? 

3. why do resonator guitars have pick up when the pure sound comes from the reso?

I know ones not really better then another and there are no rules BUT this just had me thinking when I compared them...  

Thanks  You Thoughts
 

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  • David,

    I've done several builds this way and like it.... I think the reason for wound pups is that they can be driven harder and give more reliable effects that you can get from a piezo.... Nothing like showing up with a simple box and then lighting up a room with a fat sound....

    On the other hand, there are times and songs that I like a near acoustic sound run thru a prime system (old low watt tube amp or micro amp driving a vintage speaker box)... That's what multiple CBGs with varing setups is the answer for me. Don't reach for "one size fits all..." because it don't...

    the b est,

    Wichita Sam

    David Lloyd said:
    Why not add both?
    If you add a 3 way switch for a mag pup and a piezo (or 5 way if you have 2 mag pups plus piezo) you have the option of either or both at the same time - I did a quick amateur video to show the differences (easier than trying to describe in words) and really like the both together sound.
    http://www.cigarboxnation.com/video/comparing-cbg-pickups
  • Why not add both?
    If you add a 3 way switch for a mag pup and a piezo (or 5 way if you have 2 mag pups plus piezo) you have the option of either or both at the same time - I did a quick amateur video to show the differences (easier than trying to describe in words) and really like the both together sound.
    http://www.cigarboxnation.com/video/comparing-cbg-pickups
  • Years ago, in Guitar Player magazine, they interviewed Merle Travis. One of the things I recall from the interview was..
    "If you're playing for an audience, you're going to have to amplify. How much difference does it make which side of the strings the microphone is on?"
    A well-set-up microphone arrangement on an acoustic guitar sounds very nice, but you are always prone to feedback, extraneous noises, and are pretty much stuck in one spot.
    By plugging in, you get a bit of freedom to move around, there are generally less problems with feedback, and you can tailor the sound easily for desired effect.
    So, largely a matter of taste IMO. I played for years in an open-mic club where essentially no one had any sort of built-in amplification. It was only after we'd been going there for years that folks started showing up with various sorts of pickups in their guitars.
    The current generation of acoustic-electric instruments, with on-board EQ, sound very nice onstage.

    I put a piezo in my resonator guitar,and I love the sound. Crank up the overdrive a bit, and it's naaasty.....
  • This has opened my mind....ok, thought process...... Thanks
  • I like the whole idea of electric anything when it comes to CBG's for the simple reason, people like things more when they get "Plugged in". You can pull out this crappy looking box and it blows their minds when it can rock the house....if something has a bit of a crunch or growl...people tend to like it more...then when they dive deeper into CBG's they start to like the softer side of things a bit more....I myself have not yet cracked the code on the best sounding peizo....I am working on that...there are some guys on here that are masters at peizo's and they don't like to share too many of their secrets. That's fine, i like the chalange....
  • (1) The sound of a guitar is the result of interactions between many of its components. The box, the neck and the strings are all connected together and all have their own sets of resonant frequencies - each of them adds or subtracts something. Even the pickup and the way its mounted can make a difference - eg. if it's mounted to the soundboard (the box) then it adds weight, which changes the resonance of that element. Also, if mounted to the soundboard, the pickup will move relative to the strings, which could add or subtract components from the sound.
    ---Or, to think about it another way, if the body of a guitar made no difference to the sound then no one would bother with semi-acoustics and a Gibson 335 would sound the same as a Les Paul.

    (2) No

    (3) See the answer to (1)...ie. Firstly, the tone doesn't just come from the resonator (although obviously the resonator plays a very big role - and when playing acoustically it is the main route through which sound is channeled out of the instrument and to the ears of the listener). Secondly, by using a pickup you can find musically useful tones expressed from other parts of the instrument - and those tones will be affected by the resonator because it is supporting the strings.
  • I enjoy listening to electric guitar music, but as for playing, I am totally accoustic. It is very difficult to amplify a resonator using pick-ups and get that real resonator tone. Surface mounting pick-ups makes no sense at all. Considering the sound is coming out of the cone, mics are the best way to go for sound reenforcement. The resonator was invented before the electric guitar to solve the guitar's volume problem. To get full volume and tone, playing with fingerpicks or a flatpick is essential. The soft flesh of the fingers is not enough to drive the cone. Picks offer protection. Wearing them, you can dig in and pull out the sound. Enjoy.
  • Joker's thoughts on these questions
    1) Yes.
    2) yes
    3) because they can, and for the same reason in #2

    Ok all kidding aside, I think all your questions are valid. I have been wondering myself why there aren't many playing acoustic cbg's that are just miked. I have watchhed several live performances by local string bands here in Cincinnati and noticed that they keep it acoustic and mic all their instruments-banjos, guitars, mandolins. I think you could do they same with cbg's

    As far as electric cbg's go, I do think that 6 string fretted electric cbg's just sound about the same as any other electric but when you electrify a fretless 3 or 4 stringer you get a sound that you cannot produce with a standard electric guitar.

    Just my thoughts
  • You know, Hip Bone, I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe us newbies think to much but I agree with the box just hanging on and looking cool. Mine are still "unplugged" so I have no comparison thanks for sharing your scientific results.
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