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Progress, regress

Got a big round top craft box ebay special in the mail yesterday. Was gonna use it for a license plate reso. However it is a bit smaller than advertised and the bottom is split all the way through. Aggravating. Don't have time to find another box, so my Undercrown box will now host my dad's guit.

Monster build - made a bit of progress. Rejiggered the neck internals so the pickup could be adjusted. Gonna have to pfutz with the pickup cover now though. Went to the Home Despot and got some bits and bobs. Small hinge for a tail piece. All that remains is a trip to the office supply store for a white Sharpie marker (yes, they make em!) and final assembly.

Bought some ply and what I THOUGHT was a package containing two saw horses. Nope. One. Basement work table must wait.

Also got some extension springs. Mocked up my idea for one going through the tunnel of the little tart tins I have for some spring reverb. I think it's going to work! Sounded neat. One end to the tunnel, one end to the bolt holding the bridge w/piezo and I think it'll sound fun. We'll see. Back burner.

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Christmas CBG Workshop with children

Hi there everyone.

Tomorrow is the big day of the Christmas Workshop with my guitar students. The traditional thing to do in Norway where I live is to make decorations of wood and felt, but we will make electric cigar box guitars, with single coil pick up and everything. The students are 11-15 years old and are quite excited. A friend of mine have pre-fabricated CBG-kits for us, so this will actually be a reasonably simple task. I will post some photos on my blog, and on this one as well if there are any interest for it. I did a similar project a couple of years ago with acoustic CBG, and it was a huge success. 

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Monster build progress

Glued and screwed the neck yesterday. I routed out a channel for the single-coil pickup, but after attaching the neck it seems the pickup will sit too high. This will be a 3-string slide but I don't want super high action on it.

Put it aside while I pondered the problem. Plus I had band practice... Woke up today with a solution. Going to cut the neck completely away from under the pickup then add a brace across the neck for strength. 

Also the really cool red hinge I bought for a tailpiece isn't going to work. There's something else I'm attaching to the bottom of the guitar rending it unusable. Back to the junk drawer...

Now that I have the pickup problem solved I should be done soon, as long as my tuners get here before the weekend. 

I need to attach a couple of pieces of wood to the sides of the guitar to give it a sort of double cutaway look. I won't say why yet, but when you see the finished product, you'll understand.

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the cigarbox table

I would like to invite anyone so inclined to feel free to reproduce the table for personal use. That's why it's here. I would really enjoy seeing all the different variations and treatments you guys would give it. Put a photo on my page and I'll start an album. 

cheers, Bill

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Contest build progress + resonator rabbit hole

Sanded down the contest neck last night. Needs more, but it's smooth. Fretboard really just needs buffed at this point. Going to do hairpin frets as I don't have fretting supplies and time is a factor. I really want to radius the neck more, though it's nice as it is now.  If I make it to the hardware store this weekend I may just finish it by Monday. Now just waiting on the box, tuners, pickup and secret supplies I ordered on the ebays.

For the license-plate reso... Got the box I thought was going to use, but I think it's too shallow to be boomy enough when played acoustically. So back to the ebays. Found a REALLY cool unfinished craft box for cheap. It'll definitely have a boom now. Plus it's exactly the right length. It's wider than the plate but now I can put in sound holes. I plan to rough up the box on some concrete and wash it either blue or yellow to match the plate. Probably do the same to the neck, then varnish (wash, not rough up).
Tested the little tart pans I got and was planning on putting under the plate. Not sold. I think they're a little too small and not ringy enough. I think the plate might be good enough on it's own and I'll save the pans for a reso uke or cool soundhole inserts.
I was also thinking if I attach a couple of springs to the underside of the plate and attach the other ends to opposite corners in the box it 'll sound cool.

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new member

hi everyone, new to the site, just started playing a 3 string from smokestack, now i am hooked i going to try build a few so i can play delta blues on the porch when sitting in the rocking chair, see my profile photo thats realy me.

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WS 016 COLLISHAW FARMS

   I just finished this little guy for the good people at Collishaw farms in Cloverdale, BC. Patrick Harrison, who owns the farm, saw a little spot on cigar box guitars on the TV and tracked me down. He spent some time looking for a local artisan to build one for him. lucky for me, I am the only one in the Vancouver region. So far!.

   Here is a pick of how it turned out.

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    If you would like to see more about it and learn a little about the build process, check out this link to my website.

http://wsbluesbox.wordpress.com/2012/11/27/ws-016-collishaw-farm/

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Hi All....Hope your holiday season is going well so far.

 

   Just wanted to take a few moments to remind you that the holiday season is upon us and an electric/accoustic cigar box guitar might be just the perfect gift for a friend or family member.

 

Also, if you know of anyone that might be interested in purchasing one of my builds, please have them contact me.

 

Have a continued wonderful holiday.

 

Respectfully,

Steve Cinnamon www.cottinpickinblues.com

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De la machine à coudre aux micros de CBG

Beau comme la rencontre fortuite sur une table de cuisine d'une machine à coudre et d'un Diddley Bow

 

One String Willie est bien connu des lecteurs de ce forum et des amoureux, j’en suis, du grand père des instruments de blues, j’ai nommé le Diddley Bow.

_OneStringWillie1Small.jpgCet homme s’est fait le héraut de ce vénérable instrument, simple à fabriquer, simple à manier mais très subtil à jouer. Je dois à Willie, et à travers son site, la découverte d’un joueur extraordinaire: Eddie «One String» Jones et de son unique album, assez rare à trouver, et plus proche de l’ethno-musicographie que de l’enregistrement pur, et j’y reviens souvent en me demandant comment ce diable d’homme arrivait à sortir autant de sonorités d’une seule corde frottée avec une bouteille de verre, tapée par un morceau de bois,et "amplifiée" par une seule boite de conserve.

Le site de One String Willie (en anglais) est littéralement truffé de ce genre de pépites comme de conseils pour construire son propre Diddley Boy et une approche philosophique du Do It Yourself (Fais le Toi Même) comme de l’apprentissage de la musique avec une seule et unique corde.

Mon royaume pour une guitare

Les CBG et les Diddley Bow sont des instruments nés de la nécessité des plus démunis de s’exprimer à travers la musique avec les moyens et les ressources qui étaient les leurs, c’est à dire à peu prés rien. Ce sont pratiquement des objets de survie et ils ont été arrachés non pas au cœur d’un arbre solide et à l’essence rare mais à des rebuts jetés aux poubelles, des palissades ou des planches abandonnées. Leur construction n’en n’était pas moins soignée mais faite avec les moyens et outils du bord et seule la conviction et l’art de leur propriétaire-concepteur étaient capables de leur donner vie. J’écrirais un jour sûrement sur cette passion renaissante et ce retour «aux sources».

Retour paradoxal car la plupart des premier bluesmen n’avaient qu’une idée en tête: s’acheter une "vraie" guitare et abandonner au plus vite ces instruments primaires et preuves de leur pauvreté évidente, alors que nous, plus riches que ne furent ces hommes ne rêvons que d’en construire un. Dans le confort douillet de notre atelier plus ou loins rangé, entouré d’outils chromés de prix, il est vrai.

Un paradoxe.

Une corde ou rien et un micro vite fait, bien fait...

TheStringSmall.jpg.w300h225.jpgQuoiqu’il en soit One String Willie à choisi une voie unique celle de l’instrument à corde... unique justement. Une planche, une mécanique, un résonateur et la fameuse corde, c’est tout. Plus simple il n’y pas du moins dans cette catégorie d’instrument. Quand il a décider de rajouter un micro électromagnétique Willie l’a fabriqué lui même mais en y appliquant la philosophie de la simplicité qui caractérise sa démarche d’artiste et la fabrication des Diddley Bow et autres CBG. Qu’est ce qu’un micro finalement? C’est un aimant entouré de fil de cuivre, ni plus, ni moins. Partant de ce constat Willie a inventé un système simplissime pour parvenir à ses fins. Pas de moteurs à monter avec des guides fils et un compteur numérique ou digital, non, juste une machine à coudre et des canettes de fils.

Cette méthode Willie l’a détaillées dans 3 sources.

  1. La première sur son site est entièrement textuelle,et donne la base de comment fabriquer vos micros
  2. la seconde avec quelques images est sur le site de Make (ou l'on trouvera aussi un article de Willie sur comment fabriquer un Diddley Bow), et enfin,
  3. la troisième avec moult détails est sur l'excellent livre de David Sutton The ultimate DIY guide for makers and players of the handmade music revolution, chez Fox Chapel Publishing trouvable dans n’importe quel site de vente sur la toile et que je recommande chaudement (voir mon article sur le sujet)

Bon temps rouler

 

En gros on se sert de la machine à coudre comme d’une bobineuse, jusque là rien d’extraordinaire. Willie va plus loin dans la simplicité en se débarrassant du compte tour et en remplissant des canettes de fil en plastique avec du fil de cuivre pour micro. Quand la canette est pleine Willie en fait une autre, puis une autre, autant que sa patience et son emploi du temps le permet. Puis il isole le fil d’entré et de sortie et plonge les canettes dans un mélange de paraffine et de cire d’abeille jusqu’à ce qu’elles soient recouvertes du mélange puis il les sort.

Et l’aimant me direz vous?

C’est là ou cela devient génial. One String Willie a pris soin de choisir des canettes dont le diamètre du fut central évidé laisse passer un aimant long et circulaire de type AlNiCo qu’on introduit. On a donc une bobine de cuivre entourant un aimant et donc au final un micro. Il suffit alors de coller le ou les bobines sur un morceau de bois et de souder les deux fils sur deux supports métalliques ou l’on soudera/connectera une sortie jack et/ou un potentiomètre si le cœur nous en dit.

aJK4NtyN1VFLLjFI.mediumIl est clair que l’on n’aura pas au final un humbucker de chez Gibson ou Seymour Duncan mais on devrait être surpris du résultat et surtout des champs du possible offerts par ces micros "improvisés". Le seul défaut de la méthode il faut négocier avec la propriétaire de la machine à coudre mais un bouquet de fleur ou une sérénade à son honneur sur l’instrument nouvellement électrifié devrait suffire à arranger les choses ;0).

Simplifiez, simplifiez, simplifiez

 

J’ai contacté Willie pour lui demander la permission de publier cet article et de citer ses différents articles. Ce qu’il a accepté. J’étais aussi fier d’avoir trouvé un petit appareil, assez cher (90€) mais selon moi pratique: le Simplicity Deluxe Winder, une bobineuse portable de canette et de partager ma trouvaille avec Willie.

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Voilà sa réponse: «Si tu n’as pas une vieille machine à coudre, la bobineuse à canette semble bonne quoique un peu chère pour ce que tu veux en faire.» I

Il a raison, et je me demande si je ne vais pas utiliser mon vélo d’appartement à la place.;0) Quand on rentre dans le monde de la CBG on apprends vite que la simplicité c’est la liberté et l’art de faire beaucoup avec peu.

Bon bobinage.

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People who cannot play only - please

I became interested in CBG because learning to play guitar was on my bucket list. Anyone here in the same boat?

I am learning how to build much quicker than how to play. Anyone in that boat alos?

OK, so on the playing side, I have actually made some progress I want to share. Well, not share, more like talk through  - a discussion group  - theropy?

First I did the thumb tacks on the neck at the third, fifth, seventh, and twelfth fret positions. Later, after a lot of looking at different instruments and trying to track down good three string tabs - I discovered "strumstick" tabs. They are based on Dulcimer fretting. OK, dulcimer is fretted differently from guitar - diatonic or something. Anyway some of the frets are left out  -  sharps and flats? The thumb tacks fall on a condensed version of dulcimer "strumstick" fretting.

What does that have to do with anything? Well go to a strumstick site and rip off their music! Play dulcimer music on your CBG.

Second, I noticed that the thumb tacks fell in line with major chords. If I were in open "G" tuning I could go down the neck with my slide and play chords G, A, B, C, D, E, F, &  High G. Wow, just playing chords I usually could pick out tunes! But more than that I found songs that had chord hints above the lines. (A) (C) and such.  I could strum along with the songs hitting these chords.

Third, The string "G" string has the same notes on it as the chord. g, a, b, c, d, e, f, & g.  The "D" string also has notes at each fret line d, e, f, g, a, b, c, & d. You can pick out melodies and tunes on the strings.

I found a old music book for beginners that had the music with the note name inside each note on the sheet music. How neat! I can now go on my computer an put the music on sheet music and the note name on each note on the sheet music. On my three-banger I have stick on letters under the strings corresponding to the fret note. So I just match the sheet music note to the fret note and can play a tune  -  so long as I know the tune to the song. Does that make sense? I can hit the right notes, but if I cannot read the music as far as half, whole, and quarter notes I have to know how the song goes.

Slowly I am learning and getting there. I am even watching videos and learning "riffs" from watching what others are doing.

Putting it all together and things are asloly coming together.

 

We all learn differently. You probably would go insane trying to learn by my method. Just keep at it and keep experimenting and you'll find your own stride.

Happy trails to you until we meet again!

 

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The following song is in ABC music format and it should be cut and pasted into an ABC converter program like the "abcConverter" on Mandolintab.net. Once you submit your ABC file, the converter will produce a quick and dirty image of your musical score which is then displayed on screen. Above the music, in the center of the screen, you should be able to see these three links:

[MIDI music file] [PDF Sheet Music] [ABC source]

 

The first link will allow you to hear your music as played on a midi player, which is great for learning what a new song is supposed to (kind of) sound like. It's great if you are not sure of the timing of the music. The second link converts the ABC source into a .pdf image of your music which you can then save and/or print to yield prettier sheet music. Then, if you want to view the ABC source again, you can click on the third link. However, to edit your ABC source, you best click on your browser's back arrow to take you back to the original text box holding your ABC source.

Well, I like this song, and I hope you do as well. Enjoy:

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X:1
T:Fly Around My Pretty Little Miss
C:Traditional (U.S.)
M:4/4
L:1/4
K:D
[|:"D"f e d B | A/2B/2A/2G/2 F2 | A3/2 A/2 B d | f2 f2 |
w:Fly a-round my pret-ty lit-tle miss, Fly a-round my dai-sy,
w:~9 8 7 5 4 5 4 3 2 4 4 5 7 9 9
w:~
f e d B | A/2B/2A/2G/2 F2 | "G"G3/2 G/2 "A"F E | "D"D2 D2 :|]
w:Fly a-round my pret-ty lit-tle miss, Al-most drive me cra-zy.
w:~9 8 7 5 4 5 4 3 2 3 3 2 1 0 0
w:~
w:~
w:~Verse~1:
"D"F A A A | "G"B G G G | "D"A B A F | "A"E2 E2 |
w:Ev-ery time I go that road It looks so dark and clou-dy
w:~2 4 4 4 5 3 3 3 4 5 4 2 1 1
w:~
"D"F A A A | "G"G B B B | "A"A A F E | "D"D2 D2 |
w:Ev-'ry time I see that girl, I al-ways tell her how-dy.
w:~2 4 4 4 3 5 5 5 4 4 2 1 0 0
w:~
w:(Chorus)
w:~
w:~Verse~2:
"D"F A A A | "G"B G G2 | "D"A B A F | "A"E2 E2 |
w:Char-ley is a nice young man, Char-ley is a dan-dy
w:~2 4 4 4 5 3 3 4 5 4 2 1 1
w:~
"D"F A A A | "G"G B B B | "A"A A F E | "D"D2 D2 |
w:Ev-'ry time he goes to town, He buys the lad-ies can-dy.
w:~2 4 4 4 3 5 5 5 4 4 2 1 0 0
w:~
w:(Chorus)
w:~
w:~Verse~3:
"D"F A A A | "G"B G G G | "D"A A/2B/2 A F | "A"E2 E2 |
w:The high-er up the cher-ry tree, the rip-er grows the cher-ries
w:~2 4 4 4 5 3 3 3 4 4 5 4 2 1 1
w:~
"D"F A A A | "G"G B B B | "A"A A/2B/2 G E | "D"D2 D2 |
w:The more you hug and kiss the girls, The soon-er they will mar-ry.
w:~2 4 4 4 3 5 5 5 4 4 5 3 1 0 0
w:~
w:(Chorus)
w:~
w:~Verse~4:
"D"F A A A | "G"B G G G | "D"A B A F | "A"E2 E2 |
w:Cof-fee grows on white oak trees, The riv-er flows with bran-dy,
w:~2 4 4 4 5 3 3 3 4 5 4 2 1 1
w:~
"D"F A A A | "G"G/2G/2 B/2B/2 B B | "A"A A F E | "D"D2 D2 |
w:If I had my pret-ty lit-tle miss, I'd feed her sug-ar can-dy.
w:~2 4 4 4 3 3 5 5 5 5 4 4 2 1 0 0
w:~
w:(Chorus)
w:~
w:~Verse~5:
"D"F A A A | "G"B G G G | "D"A B A F | "A"E2 E2 |
w:Go'n to get some weev-ly wheat, I'm go'n to get some bar-ley,
w:~2 4 4 4 5 3 3 3 4 5 4 2 1 1
w:~
"D"F A A A | "G"G B/2B/2 B B | "A"A A F E | "D"D2 D2 |
w:Go'n to get some weev-ly wheat, And bake a cake for Char-lie.
w:~2 4 4 4 3 5 5 5 4 4 2 1 0 0
w:~
w:(Chorus)
w:~

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Note: The Chorus is the first two lines of music which is usually repeated twice each time played.

Here's a link to download a copy of this song in .pdf format suitable for 1-5-8 tuned diatonic instruments like most stick dulcimers: Fly%20Around%20My%20Pretty%20Little%20Miss.pdf

Enjoy.

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still pushin' on...

The guitar is complete,except for strings,outer shell for the case done.Worked a couple of hours on the inner bottom half of case,installing guides,dividers n such before I start padding and upolstery.Pics to come.

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Hi all,

Hi everyone,I'm new here do thought I would introduce myself :)I'm Glenn abd I'm 41 from Dorset, England. Im now medically retired and have just purchased my first guitar.. A Jaxville Custom -Union Jack which I bought recently as I've always wanted to learn to play guitar but never got round to it.. Insure you can buy a "Roundtoit" somewhere :)I purchased the guitar to compliment my PS3 game Rocksmith where you plug in a real guitar and learn / play.I've also purchased a lovely Build it yourself Cigar Box practise amp from C.B and am really looking forward to building it and them using it.. I have a few ideas in the pipeline for modifications abd ill post those pictures as and when I build it... It will be my take on Old and New :)I'm also a newly (2011) licensed Amateur Radio Op (M6ODC) after seeing a friends friend in the 80's who was a Ham and was blown away by the ability to talk all over the world (this was before the Internet).Anyways, time to go but I'm happy to receive any / all tips regarding guitar tuition as ill probably teach myself at home due to my disability. I will also in the future want to build my own cigar case guitar...I'll probably buy the kit for my first build to learn the ropesBest wishes Glenn
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Uncle Crow 3 string build

Last night I finally spent the time making an Uncle Crow style 3 string.  Last weekend I bought several boxes from the cigar lounge a few blocks away.  Made a couple of trips to the hardware store (mostly home depot), even got a piece of oak.  I was considering some modifications to the Crow design but then just decided to "go with it".

I found an old 1x2 in the corner of the garage with a knot in it.  Thankfully one side was long enough for a neck, the other side long enough for the block.  Spend a bit of time sanding to smooth it out and the block.

So I went ahead, measured, cut...and forgot the 3" at the bridge!  Ugh.  Recalculate, change tuner/spacer spacing to 1", slide the nut closer to the spacers.

Drilled the string holes, excellent, nice linup.  Drill the spacer holes, uhoh, can't hold it straight.  Same for the tuners. Although they are centered well they're a bit crooked.  Well, continue on.  I don't have a metric tape measure, and no clamps to hold one down anyways.  But I have a 12" steel rule.  Marked up the frets with that doing the extra math.

Stared at the box for a while, it's 9 3/8" x 9 7/8".  Lid opens the long way.  After some measuring and marking I decide to swap it out for the slightly warped cohiba box.

I don't want to flip the box and everything over a bunch of times like in crow's video so I finally come up with using my scrap wood as a "depth gauge".  I center line mark the box for both the neck and block, and center line mark the block and neck at the box edge.  I put the neck face down, the box on top and the block in that, roughly line up the center lines.  I 'T'd the scrap wood against the neck at the front of the box and mark the bottom of the box on the scrap wood.  I slide the 'T' down the neck and adjust the box to square it up, recenter the center line and adjust again.  Voila, the neck is adjusted.  Drive the front screw home, double check the depth gauge and drive the rest!

Next fun, stringing it up.  The crow style eye bolt tuners are just a huge PITA with fresh strings.  They don't want to bend, but want to push out the tension string.  I broke the top string at one of the bends but thankfully had enough to make another bend and finally get that started.

So I tuned it up and went to bed, can't play with little kids sleeping.  This morning I played with it...the intonation falls apart going up the neck!  I tilted the bolt some to shorten the high string.  I need to fiddle with that more it's still not quite right.  The fret markers are off, probably due to the bridge not having enough breathing room.  I dont' care so much since I'd never played fretted strings before starting the ukulele some months back.

Well now it's time to play and plan the next build!  Maybe I'll properly redo the neck, eh?

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Pics of First Ever CBG

Hello,

The pics of my first CBW are now on my site.  

I learned a lot and now have some mistakes that I will try to avoid next time around.

My wife said that it sounds like a guitar.  I will take that as a compliment.

Have fun,

Paul

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