That you for the information. I read it and joined the site. Definitely believe that once saved always saved. God tests us and sometimes we make the wrong decisions, and He lets us know that we are still humans and that we make mistakes, but it doesn't cause us to lose our salvation. And being in the music field even as a non professional the temptations are many, but He guides us through them.
Your Brother in Christ
Now I don't plan on stiring the pot and being part of a 30 page debate here, this is just an observation that I have learned, and I didnt learn it at Church, only after I had left the Church, after 40 years of my 50 year life.
I don't believe in accidental sin, or sin mistakes as I once believed. I now know that sinning is a flaw built in at the factory, it is what we do. Now sinning willingly, as in murder and living to make others lives hell, is another dog of a different color. But on our best Christian day, we are going to sin, even if it is a tiny macro sin, but it certainly is not accidental. We can council an ape the the zoo, take him aside and tell him that scratching his arm pit is a sin, swinging from trees is a sin, eating a banana is a sin, but that ape is going to do, what an ape does. No amount of Church, Bible reading, infilling of the Holy Spirit, prayer, is going to knock our sin inclinations out. It ain't going to happen, God knows this, actually, he took care of this for us at the cross along time ago. The sooner we believe that our sin has been dealt with already, we wont have to worry about being human. Living under Grace, is easer then living under law, why we put ourselves under the law when Jesus took it away at the cross, only comes from the pulpet.
I believe and observe that the "We're always going to sin, even on our best day" is both a cop-out and a self-defeating idea that too many believers share, and is the biggest lie the devil has been able to maintain among believers.
No cop out, it's the truth. It's no lie. You have listened to the pulpit of the "performance based" style of salvation to long. Christ said allot of things he knew no one could do or keep, such as to the woman, go and sin no more, and to the pharisees, pointing out their flaws was easy, as everyone born had those flaws. He told you to be sinless as he is sinless, then he turns around and pays for your sins, now why did Jesus do that? Because he KNEW that you could not be sinless. Try all you want, but your next sin, will not be by accident, I'll bet my paycheck on it. Love, Mort.
You are perfectly welcome to live under the shackles of sin Jesus freed us from, like the prisoner who has become institutionalized or the slave who has become so used to his bonds that he is comfortable I them, if you wish. But why you would want to is beyond me.
I know you don't know me Kevin, but you are interjecting that I am still a slave, and that I struggle being a Christian when you are the furthest away from the truth. I live under Grace, it is sufficient for me, and I live in the post cross world under the new covenant, thats enough for me. I am free of the guilt that Church so freely hands out to it's members. Now I shake the dust off my shoes here, never to return Love, Mort.
I'm the biggest screw-up you ever met. But I live in Grace. There's nothing I could ever do to win over the legal contract of salvation. I screw up all the time.
Instead of spending my days struggling to NOT sin, I instead focus on just doing God's will for my life. I stumble, fumble, fall, make some of the stupidest & most asinine mistakes possible in the the process. You oughtta see me...I'm a mess. It's almost comical in a 3 Stooges sorta way.
But I live in Grace. God knows I'm a fuckup. Yet, in his divine humor, he chose me to do a specialized job that only an expert could perform. I'm not an expert, just a fuckup. But I live in Grace. If I spend a bit of my day talking to him, he gives me a plan to go forth.
Am I destined to sin? Ha! If you knew Shane Speal, you'd know the obvious answer. Am I destined for Glory? Thru Grace I am.
Just a dirty tramp who was invited to a really big wedding...
You can't know how hard it has been for the chaplain to stay out of this discussion... it demonstrates one of the great divides in Christianity.... It might be summed up in this question:
"Do we sin because we are sinners.... or are we sinners because we have sinned?"
Your answer to this question will depend on your view of the Human Condition and your theology of the "image of God" in which humanity was/is formed....
On one end of the spectrum of theology of the Human Condition in the "utter depravity" of humanity articulated in Calvanism... on the other end is the triumphal humanism of the late 19th and early 20th century were mainstream Christianity expressed the belief that faithful Christians would "usher in the second coming" by "creating with our own hands" a new Eden on earth.
Regarding the "image of God".. a pessimistic view is that the "image of God" was destroyed in the fall... on the other end is an optimistic view that while the 'image of God" is marred by the fall it is durable and may well be that part of humanity which responds to the call of God...
Blessings as we all struggle with these important ideas,