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Permalink Reply by Wes "I'm Baaaaack" Yates on June 23, 2010 at 11:25am

First off, I am not a Lawyer. These are OPINIONS only.

I guess that depends on your point of view. The 'Net' is considered for the most part a broadcast medium, and yet for most sites like this and others, your comments are owned by the site manager/owner [ie: in this case Shane Speal]. This is what gets file and music sharing sites in so much trouble.

Now, that doesn't mean that the designs, ideas, instructions, advice, comments and opinions I post here aren't inherently their originators and not subject to copyright laws, but the actual post of that information is indeed Shane's (as far as I understand).

Case in point: John Lowe makes the 'Lowebow'. It's his design, methodology and technology and he has every right to guard that information the best he can. He does not post how he makes his Lowebow AND will now allow anyone else to copy or use the name 'Lowebow'. He has the foresight to do that.

Even if he were to 'tell his secrets', those would still be his BUT he has released them to the public domain (broadcast them in effect). His posts could be used in that spirit. We enjoy that when we reply to a post with the original post quoted. Its assumed ok. BUT it's up to the user to ask permission to be used elsewhere. Heck, I even had one of my pictures reposted as someone else's. Flattering, but was still mine. I reposted one of Shane's CBGs as part of a spoof on one post here (he he he).

I am designing something based on the Cigar Box Nation red star logo. I asked permission to use that basic design element even though I didn't use it exactly. I'm so nice ain't I.

So here's the best remedy: Honestly, I wouldn't let it bother you UNLESS the use is taken out of context, libelous, harmful or slanderous, otherwise used for illegal or deceitful purposes. If it really bothers you, write to the site manager and ask for a retraction or deletion of your name or quotation. I assume its not this site that is. If they don't ... eh ... I guess you should not post to that site or close out any membership on that site, or... I dunno. Legal action would REALLY hard to enforce I would assume.

The Net is tricky like that. It's also an international medium.

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Permalink Reply by Wes "I'm Baaaaack" Yates on June 23, 2010 at 11:30am

Oh and I could be totally wrong about it all...

-WY

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Permalink Reply by Wes "I'm Baaaaack" Yates on June 23, 2010 at 12:31pm

Not to support or contradict myself, but the question is interesting. Here is something I found online (of course)

http://www.boduweb.com/blog/05200920/content-ownership-the-biggest-...

I'm sure this is a highly debated concept in this new online world, but I simply am not asking [Google] the right question. That is, I'm notta find'n much.

-WY

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Permalink Reply by Zandi Z on June 23, 2010 at 1:18pm

It took me aback.... as far as i could tell, what was there were EXACT POSTS from this Forum Discussion group and Ted's new group.
no slander, no libel...no gripe, really.
i was just surprised to find my name in bold type with my exact post from here on a whole other site.
i believe most of the other posts are taken directly from this forum... I now know that whatever is posted on this forum is replicated---- perhaps---inexpected places...
as i said, now i know....
hey, it might be convenient, someday.....hehehe....
thank you for your response.......zandi z.

Wes Yates said:

First off, I am not a Lawyer. These are OPINIONS only.

I guess that depends on your point of view. The 'Net' is considered for the most part a broadcast medium, and yet for most sites like this and others, your comments are owned by the site manager/owner [ie: in this case Shane Speal]. This is what gets file and music sharing sites in so much trouble.

Now, that doesn't mean that the designs, ideas, instructions, advice, comments and opinions I post here aren't inherently their originators and not subject to copyright laws, but the actual post of that information is indeed Shane's (as far as I understand).

Case in point: John Lowe makes the 'Lowebow'. It's his design, methodology and technology and he has every right to guard that information the best he can. He does not post how he makes his Lowebow AND will now allow anyone else to copy or use the name 'Lowebow'. He has the foresight to do that.

Even if he were to 'tell his secrets', those would still be his BUT he has released them to the public domain (broadcast them in effect). His posts could be used in that spirit. We enjoy that when we reply to a post with the original post quoted. Its assumed ok. BUT it's up to the user to ask permission to be used elsewhere. Heck, I even had one of my pictures reposted as someone else's. Flattering, but was still mine. I reposted one of Shane's CBGs as part of a spoof on one post here (he he he).

I am designing something based on the Cigar Box Nation red star logo. I asked permission to use that basic design element even though I didn't use it exactly. I'm so nice ain't I.

So here's the best remedy: Honestly, I wouldn't let it bother you UNLESS the use is taken out of context, libelous, harmful or slanderous, otherwise used for illegal or deceitful purposes. If it really bothers you, write to the site manager and ask for a retraction or deletion of your name or quotation. I assume its not this site that is. If they don't ... eh ... I guess you should not post to that site or close out any membership on that site, or... I dunno. Legal action would REALLY hard to enforce I would assume.

The Net is tricky like that. It's also an international medium.

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Permalink Reply by Zandi Z on June 23, 2010 at 1:48pm

Gary,
i'm 65 and have studied lots of stuff from Esoterica to Quantum Mechanics, so don't get all sophomoric on me--- and, i do not mean that in an unkind way.
it was a long long time ago that i first understood that 'glass houses' are really the norm of existence,too.

i joined the nation because i found that CBGs and the vast diversity of participants here were the most complete, and most coherent, joyful expression of String Theory.

and, i am not averse to having my words appear synchronistically somewhere other than where i post them... just surprised at the speed of it all.

as far as i'm concerned, we are ALL (you, me, them,it, the Universe) the same entity---- just percieving Reality from different perspectives or dimensions... and i use the term 'entity' pretty loosely... no need to start a cascade of arguments from deists, theists or athiest....

I am very fond of Resonance and ADORE this version of STRING THEORY......zandi z.

gary martin said:

every thing is borrowed from somewhere ,your name ,your job every thought that pops in your head,all been done before ,nothing original at all ,there is no-thing new under the sun .Thank conciouseness that the morals of separation are well on the way of the dodo.

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Permalink Reply by Wes "I'm Baaaaack" Yates on June 23, 2010 at 1:49pm

All that you touch
All that you see
All that you taste
All you feel.
All that you love
All that you hate
All you distrust
All you save.
All that you give
All that you deal
All that you buy,
beg, borrow or steal.
All you create
All you destroy
All that you do
All that you say.
All that you eat
And everyone you meet
All that you slight
And everyone you fight.
All that is now
All that is gone
All that's to come
and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon.

(c) 1973 Pink Floyd
Eclipse, Dark Side of the Moon

gary martin said:

every thing is borrowed from somewhere ,your name ,your job every thought that pops in your head,all been done before ,nothing original at all ,there is no-thing new under the sun .Thank conciouseness that the morals of separation are well on the way of the dodo.

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Permalink Reply by Wes "I'm Baaaaack" Yates on June 23, 2010 at 1:50pm

It took me aback.... as far as i could tell, what was there were EXACT POSTS from this Forum Discussion group and Ted's new group.

What site was this now?

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Permalink Reply by Zandi Z on June 23, 2010 at 1:51pm

ps... i am not a member of that site, but the inclusion of my post makes it 'look like' i am....zz,

Wes Yates said:

First off, I am not a Lawyer. These are OPINIONS only.

I guess that depends on your point of view. The 'Net' is considered for the most part a broadcast medium, and yet for most sites like this and others, your comments are owned by the site manager/owner [ie: in this case Shane Speal]. This is what gets file and music sharing sites in so much trouble.

Now, that doesn't mean that the designs, ideas, instructions, advice, comments and opinions I post here aren't inherently their originators and not subject to copyright laws, but the actual post of that information is indeed Shane's (as far as I understand).

Case in point: John Lowe makes the 'Lowebow'. It's his design, methodology and technology and he has every right to guard that information the best he can. He does not post how he makes his Lowebow AND will now allow anyone else to copy or use the name 'Lowebow'. He has the foresight to do that.

Even if he were to 'tell his secrets', those would still be his BUT he has released them to the public domain (broadcast them in effect). His posts could be used in that spirit. We enjoy that when we reply to a post with the original post quoted. Its assumed ok. BUT it's up to the user to ask permission to be used elsewhere. Heck, I even had one of my pictures reposted as someone else's. Flattering, but was still mine. I reposted one of Shane's CBGs as part of a spoof on one post here (he he he).

I am designing something based on the Cigar Box Nation red star logo. I asked permission to use that basic design element even though I didn't use it exactly. I'm so nice ain't I.

So here's the best remedy: Honestly, I wouldn't let it bother you UNLESS the use is taken out of context, libelous, harmful or slanderous, otherwise used for illegal or deceitful purposes. If it really bothers you, write to the site manager and ask for a retraction or deletion of your name or quotation. I assume its not this site that is. If they don't ... eh ... I guess you should not post to that site or close out any membership on that site, or... I dunno. Legal action would REALLY hard to enforce I would assume.

The Net is tricky like that. It's also an international medium.

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Permalink Reply by Zandi Z on June 23, 2010 at 2:00pm

Ahhh, Pink Floyd...my first live concert in SFO.....Fillmore West.... '71...or'72.... or 73..?????.
one of those years .......kinda fuzzy, wot ???...zandi z.

Wes Yates said:

All that you touch
All that you see
All that you taste
All you feel.
All that you love
All that you hate
All you distrust
All you save.
All that you give
All that you deal
All that you buy,
beg, borrow or steal.
All you create
All you destroy
All that you do
All that you say.
All that you eat
And everyone you meet
All that you slight
And everyone you fight.
All that is now
All that is gone
All that's to come
and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon.

(c) 1973 Pink Floyd
Eclipse, Dark Side of the Moon

gary martin said:

every thing is borrowed from somewhere ,your name ,your job every thought that pops in your head,all been done before ,nothing original at all ,there is no-thing new under the sun .Thank conciouseness that the morals of separation are well on the way of the dodo.

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Permalink Reply by Zandi Z on June 23, 2010 at 2:07pm

Wes, the site is "Cigar Box Guitars--Join the Revolution"...sound familiar ??
http://cigarbox.com/
do check it out... ....zandi z.

Wes Yates said:

It took me aback.... as far as i could tell, what was there were EXACT POSTS from this Forum Discussion group and Ted's new group.

What site was this now?

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Permalink Reply by MichaelS Country Boy Guitars on June 23, 2010 at 2:20pm

The site you posted is a Las Vegas cigar shop, is that were your post was?

Zandi Z said:

Wes, the site is "Cigar Box Guitars--Join the Revolution"...sound familiar ??
http://cigarbox.com/
do check it out... ....zandi z.

Wes Yates said:

It took me aback.... as far as i could tell, what was there were EXACT POSTS from this Forum Discussion group and Ted's new group.

What site was this now?

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Permalink Reply by Zandi Z on June 23, 2010 at 2:28pm

Yes, it was there an hour or so ago.
Las Vegas,Nevada ??? or Las Vegas , New Mexico of Doc Holliday fame ??? i live near the latter...zandi z.

MichaelS said:

The site you posted is a Las Vegas cigar shop, is that were your post was?

Zandi Z said:

Wes, the site is "Cigar Box Guitars--Join the Revolution"...sound familiar ??
http://cigarbox.com/
do check it out... ....zandi z.

Wes Yates said:

It took me aback.... as far as i could tell, what was there were EXACT POSTS from this Forum Discussion group and Ted's new group.

What site was this now?

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