OK, so a day of frigging around with different stuff has lead me to a passive tone control for piezo.

Some background: If you ever tried a normal guitar volume and tone setup on a passive piezo, you'll know the tone control doesn't work as it should. If anything, it acts more as a high pass filter than a low pass. This is because piezos have massive impedance compared to magnetic pickups.

I usually use an active preamp circuit based on the Tillman design and that means I can put normal volume and tone controls after the preamp and they work as they should. But I've had a couple of commissions recently from people who will rarely plug into an amp anyway, so that brought me back to the search for a passive tone control that will work for a piezo. It's seems a bit silly to put a really good preamp in a gat that will rarely get plugged in.

I tried a bunch of stuff I had read about with RCL filters but none of it worked, really, despite what some dude claimed. I suspect that, as usual, the very high impedance makes the RCL filters unworkable.


That left a more traditional approach with some modifications to make it piezo-friendly. Thanks to Charlie Hall for pointing me in the right direction yonks ago. I finally got around to trying out his suggestions. Apart from the tone cap value, he was pretty much right.

Piezo red lead > 100k resistor > usual volume and tone pot wiring as per this basic setup BUT

1) vol pot is 1M log (I tried a 2M pot but it didn't make any difference)

2) tone pot is 1M log

3) the tone capacitor is .0022uf (code 222), i.e. 1/10th of what you'd normally use on a tone cap.

4) you'll need a treble bypass cap across the input and output of your  volume pot or you'll lose heaps of treble as you turn the volume down. Use a .0022uf (same as what you used as a tone cap).

All grounds (including the piezo black lead) go to the back of the volume pot and you run a ground from there to the output jack ground.

You will notice a loss of about 3dB output level, but you can plug into an external preamp or booster or eq pedal or whatever to up your level and get your impedance matched for an amp if you want.


This is still inferior to an active setup but if you want proper tone control and don't want to build a preamp circuit and put a 9v in your gat, you now have a way to do it.

NB: I tested this on a disc piezo. I think rod piezos have a different impedance again, though still massive, so I can't vouch for how it will work on a rod. You might have to use a larger resistor (220k or more).

Let me know how it worked out for you.

cheers

Blind Gee

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  • Thank you for all the work and info, very helpful. Looking forward to trying this.

  • so, any news about all of this witchcraft you made here?

    I a complete ignorant and does not understand half of wht you wrote here, but a DIAGRAM (hint) could really help.

    If anyone of you is still here or you all went to work in high-tech electronics and left the cbg....

    • Hi Matan,

      The wiring diagram is linked in the original post. Just the stock standard vol pot and tone pot.

      http://www.guitarelectronics.com/product/WD1H11_00/Guitar-Wiring-Di...

      A few peeps have reported success with it.

      • the changes described in the post are not in the linked diagram...please diagram the wiring???

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          • is the third tag on the tone pot supposed to be grounded?  i dont see how it is supposed to work as this picture shows.

            • For a tone pot you only use the center and one of the outside lugs. used like this its a variable resister. 

              on a volume pot, you run the signal from one outside lug to the other connected to ground, and the middle one selectively siphons off some of the signal on its way to ground.

          • Glenn the MAN!

            now noobs and ignorants like me can cast your blues spells!

  • I just joined in to say I tried this on a passive electric violin I'm making (not cigar box, just regular wood) and it worked wonderful. I'm using passive to avoid carving a hole for the battery, which is not very aesthetic and really difficult. There aren't any usable violin integrated mics out there like there are for other instruments (meaning easy to install and looking good), so I had to design my own.

    Anyway, with your design treble sounds really defined and I can make it go to annoyingly brilliant to dull warm with no problem, and bass sounds fat and whole, which is really cool. I love the sound I got. With just piezos, it sounded extremely loaded and the basses sounded very treble. My setup, for reference:

    I have 2 piezo discs, one under each feet of the bridge. They go to a 100k resistor as stated here, but then changes because of the components I had: 

    1. Both pots are 500k log.

    2. I used both capacitors, but they are 102 instead of 222 (meaning 0.001uF)

    3. I added a resistor before the tone pot to make it always a little duller (no tone was too rich and loaded, I didn't like it at all). The resistor is 200k, so my range is 200-600k instead of 0-2M like stated.

    4. Both reds and both blacks of the piezos are joined together.

    5. I'm grounding to both the chassis of the tone and the volume, instead of just the volume.

    One of the interesting effects (very unexpected, I might add) is that the lower setting on volume completely turns off the piezos. 

    Thanks you so much for this. Finding a workable passive tone/volume was incredibly difficult and frustrating!

    • Glad to hear you got a working combination of components Joaquin. Glad I could get you in the ballpark!

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