Comments - Scarf With Me - Cigar Box Nation2024-03-29T15:01:32Zhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2592684%3ABlogPost%3A2832859&xn_auth=noExcellent write up here Hal.…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-04-02:2592684:Comment:28355302017-04-02T23:08:26.130Zturtleheadhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/turtlehead
<p>Excellent write up here Hal. I fall into the doing it by hand category, but a lot of that can be chalked up to laziness and impatience for building jigs. I'm sure my old man is rolling in his grave hearing me say that because he was the king of power tools and jigs, so I suppose I'm rebelling against my roots ;) It's got me thinking about making an adjustable version of this jig though so thanks for the post.</p>
<p>Hey Paul, that's exactly how I do it - measure 3" along the length of the…</p>
<p>Excellent write up here Hal. I fall into the doing it by hand category, but a lot of that can be chalked up to laziness and impatience for building jigs. I'm sure my old man is rolling in his grave hearing me say that because he was the king of power tools and jigs, so I suppose I'm rebelling against my roots ;) It's got me thinking about making an adjustable version of this jig though so thanks for the post.</p>
<p>Hey Paul, that's exactly how I do it - measure 3" along the length of the 3/4" board and connect a diagonal line - I like it because it's simple and quick, but I always figured that to be about a 14 degree angle when I checked it after the fact. Just to be sure, I dusted off my somewhat sketchy trigonometry skills and keep coming up with 14.036 degrees on paper. Not questioning your methods, just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.</p> I've always done this with a…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-04-01:2592684:Comment:28348732017-04-01T20:28:53.029ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>I've always done this with a 3/4" thick wood by turning it on it's side and drawing a line across where the nut is supposed to be, measure back 3" towards the heel and draw another line across the piece, then draw a diagonal line linking the 2 already drawn from bottom of neck at the nut to the top of the other line.</p>
<p>I've then cut it in a miter chop saw, flip the end piece over and glue them together. result is a 7 degree scarf joint. It's always best to have the joint under the…</p>
<p>I've always done this with a 3/4" thick wood by turning it on it's side and drawing a line across where the nut is supposed to be, measure back 3" towards the heel and draw another line across the piece, then draw a diagonal line linking the 2 already drawn from bottom of neck at the nut to the top of the other line.</p>
<p>I've then cut it in a miter chop saw, flip the end piece over and glue them together. result is a 7 degree scarf joint. It's always best to have the joint under the fretboard for the best strength than to have it on the headstock.</p>
<p>Cutting the wood this way can be difficult to get a straight cut with wood grain problems and holding the piece firmly can be a challenge. I do it this way cause I don't have a table saw. Jigs are always a good thing to use. Some day I'll get around to making one. LOL</p> My dad went to trade school f…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-03-29:2592684:Comment:28336252017-03-29T14:02:00.595ZHal Robertsonhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/HalRobertson
<p>My dad went to trade school for cabinetmaking, so I was surrounded by woodworking as a kid. Just had no interest - I liked electronics and music. Now that I've passed the half-century mark, I've come to value care and craftsmanship of handmade items and I guess I'm embracing my roots.</p>
<p>I'm very comfortable (and safe) with power tools, but in the last year, I've learned to sharpen and use planes and chisels. Ironically, more injuries have come from the hand tools. Saw is next!</p>
<p>My dad went to trade school for cabinetmaking, so I was surrounded by woodworking as a kid. Just had no interest - I liked electronics and music. Now that I've passed the half-century mark, I've come to value care and craftsmanship of handmade items and I guess I'm embracing my roots.</p>
<p>I'm very comfortable (and safe) with power tools, but in the last year, I've learned to sharpen and use planes and chisels. Ironically, more injuries have come from the hand tools. Saw is next!</p> Learning to work with handsaw…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-03-29:2592684:Comment:28333572017-03-29T07:02:39.716ZMoritz Voegelihttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/MoritzVoegeli265
<p>Learning to work with handsaws and files asks for a lot of patience but it's worth the effort: a friend of mine who did a four-year apprenticeship in machine industry told me «the first year we just learnt using a file»: there are no shortcuts for craftsmanship...</p>
<p>Learning to work with handsaws and files asks for a lot of patience but it's worth the effort: a friend of mine who did a four-year apprenticeship in machine industry told me «the first year we just learnt using a file»: there are no shortcuts for craftsmanship...</p> Clean cut with a cheap tenon…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-03-29:2592684:Comment:28335112017-03-29T06:32:16.578ZChickenboneJohnhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/ChickenboneJohn
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306617695?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306617695?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="750"></a>Clean cut with a cheap tenon saw for a headstock scarf. This is poplar so it is very easy to cut, although the soft timber does allow you to easily drift offline with the cut. <span class="st">ありがとうございます <em>Arigatou gozaimasu...</em></span></p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306617695?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306617695?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="750"></a>Clean cut with a cheap tenon saw for a headstock scarf. This is poplar so it is very easy to cut, although the soft timber does allow you to easily drift offline with the cut. <span class="st">ありがとうございます <em>Arigatou gozaimasu...</em></span></p> Hal, practice is what is need…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-03-29:2592684:Comment:28333512017-03-29T06:27:15.686ZChickenboneJohnhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/ChickenboneJohn
<p>Hal, practice is what is needed, and go slowly. You need to keep a constant eye on what you are doing, and it is easier starting with something relatively soft and even-grained like poplar or cherry. That oak you are cutting on the table saw would be more of a challenge as it is so hard and the interlocking grain can get the saw a bit crossed-up. I use a regular tenon saw - Japanese pullsaws are very sharp, but I find their ultra thin blades can flex and result in a less than flat cut - I…</p>
<p>Hal, practice is what is needed, and go slowly. You need to keep a constant eye on what you are doing, and it is easier starting with something relatively soft and even-grained like poplar or cherry. That oak you are cutting on the table saw would be more of a challenge as it is so hard and the interlocking grain can get the saw a bit crossed-up. I use a regular tenon saw - Japanese pullsaws are very sharp, but I find their ultra thin blades can flex and result in a less than flat cut - I don't think I've practiced enough with one - maybe I need to go to Tokyo to seek out a Sensei master of the dozuki saw.</p>
<p>I do tend to get a bit Zen (or Jedi) with this, but you really can learn to feel what is happening between the handsaw and the wood. That feel of what is happening under the blade of the tool comes with time and concentration on the job in hand. I'm a firm believer that good handtool skills help even when using power tools. I think a lot of power tool accidents happen when a piece of timber is run across a blade, feeding by hand but without any sensitivity as to whether the grain is going to cause the blade to slow down, then stall or grab casatrophically. That's when the saw or planer grabs the work and either throws it at the machine operator or pulls their hand onto the blade.</p>
<p>Kigar..I'm definitely on the securing the neck and headstock onto the bench on its side to stop the joint squirming apart when clamping it.</p>
<p>Become the saw and feel the Force, Luke....</p> Good tip with the glue block…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-03-29:2592684:Comment:28333422017-03-29T02:08:55.326ZHal Robertsonhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/HalRobertson
<p>Good tip with the glue block Kigar. All you handsaw guys are making me feel inadequate :-) Guess I'll try that next! Regular handsaw? Japanese saw? Don't think I've ever cut a straight line with a handsaw. Practice, practice... and maybe use the Force.</p>
<p>Good tip with the glue block Kigar. All you handsaw guys are making me feel inadequate :-) Guess I'll try that next! Regular handsaw? Japanese saw? Don't think I've ever cut a straight line with a handsaw. Practice, practice... and maybe use the Force.</p> Nice write up. I do similar c…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-03-29:2592684:Comment:28334352017-03-29T00:04:38.292ZKigarhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/Kigar
Nice write up. I do similar cutting but with a chop saw. If you have a thinner and wider piece you can cut it in half with the jig for two head stocks. For the gluing I like the method where you clamp down the neck, place the headstock where you want it, then clamp a block to the bench, butting up against the end of the headstock. That way the headstock can't slide away when you clamp it.
Nice write up. I do similar cutting but with a chop saw. If you have a thinner and wider piece you can cut it in half with the jig for two head stocks. For the gluing I like the method where you clamp down the neck, place the headstock where you want it, then clamp a block to the bench, butting up against the end of the headstock. That way the headstock can't slide away when you clamp it. It's a nicely set out "how to…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-03-28:2592684:Comment:28332992017-03-28T16:52:55.479ZChickenboneJohnhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/ChickenboneJohn
<p>It's a nicely set out "how to" post, and handy for those who want to use a table saw to do the job. Personally I've never felt the need to do scarf joints in any other way than using an ordinary handsaw, but I do understand that everyone has their own preferred way of doing it, and may feel that a power tool and jig gives them more control and accuracy. This is my scarf joint set-up - a freehand cut with a tenon saw and one clamp onto the bench. It's somewhat less demanding on…</p>
<p>It's a nicely set out "how to" post, and handy for those who want to use a table saw to do the job. Personally I've never felt the need to do scarf joints in any other way than using an ordinary handsaw, but I do understand that everyone has their own preferred way of doing it, and may feel that a power tool and jig gives them more control and accuracy. This is my scarf joint set-up - a freehand cut with a tenon saw and one clamp onto the bench. It's somewhat less demanding on the equipment side, but does require learning the basics of controlling a handsaw, which is always a useful skill.</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306617709?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/306617709?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="750"></a></p> You can cut a scarf with a ha…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2017-03-28:2592684:Comment:28329602017-03-28T12:36:48.353ZRon "Oily" Spraguehttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/RonaldSprague
You can cut a scarf with a handsaw, too. Just takes a little patience and care. It's actually easier than using a power tool, if you're building one neck at a time, as opposed to two or more in bulk.<br />
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Just remember, let the saw do the work, don't force it. And you can always sand it flat. One more thing to mention: leave yourself enough room for an extra long headstock, say 6" long. You can always cut it down, but it's harder to fix, as nearly all of us have found, if you cut it too short.
You can cut a scarf with a handsaw, too. Just takes a little patience and care. It's actually easier than using a power tool, if you're building one neck at a time, as opposed to two or more in bulk.<br />
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Just remember, let the saw do the work, don't force it. And you can always sand it flat. One more thing to mention: leave yourself enough room for an extra long headstock, say 6" long. You can always cut it down, but it's harder to fix, as nearly all of us have found, if you cut it too short.