what defines a cigar box, baritone guitar - Cigar Box Nation2024-03-29T15:15:26Zhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum/topics/what-defines-a-cigar-box-baritone-guitar?groupUrl=baritoneguitarcbg&commentId=2592684%3AComment%3A3348573&xg_source=activity&groupId=2592684%3AGroup%3A166884&feed=yes&xn_auth=noA standard Bass is tuned with…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-11-01:2592684:Comment:34018622019-11-01T17:56:33.905ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>A standard Bass is tuned with the same notes as the guitar except they are one octave lower than what is tuned on the guitar. So people that wanted darker tones on their guitar's would "drop" the tuning of their guitars to a lower than standard tuning.</p>
<p>A drop C would be C/G/C lower than the usual G/D/G on a 3 string CBG. It is hard to drop more than 2 or 3 notes because the strings start to get too loose on a standard length CBG/Guitar(24.5" to 25.5"), but a Baritone scale guitar(26"…</p>
<p>A standard Bass is tuned with the same notes as the guitar except they are one octave lower than what is tuned on the guitar. So people that wanted darker tones on their guitar's would "drop" the tuning of their guitars to a lower than standard tuning.</p>
<p>A drop C would be C/G/C lower than the usual G/D/G on a 3 string CBG. It is hard to drop more than 2 or 3 notes because the strings start to get too loose on a standard length CBG/Guitar(24.5" to 25.5"), but a Baritone scale guitar(26" to 28.5") will take out that looseness of the strings for lower tunings.</p>
<p>Of course a lot of this depends on what gauge strings are being used and on what scale length is being used.</p>
<p></p> Pardon me for resurrecting a…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-10-31:2592684:Comment:34007542019-10-31T12:58:11.647ZJohn Mark Perchalskihttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/JohnMarkPerchalski
<p>Pardon me for resurrecting a four month old post, but what's drop C or drop B tuning going to be?</p>
<p>I'm imagining that drop C is going from DAD to CAD...But I haven't a clue on what 'drop C-drop B' means, nor am I quite sure what tuning you'd be dropping from to get to drop B.</p>
<p>I'm enamored of the idea of a baritone CBG after watching some of Shane Speal's videos, but I'm trying to figure out what sort of tuning (he says something about drop C in one of his…</p>
<p>Pardon me for resurrecting a four month old post, but what's drop C or drop B tuning going to be?</p>
<p>I'm imagining that drop C is going from DAD to CAD...But I haven't a clue on what 'drop C-drop B' means, nor am I quite sure what tuning you'd be dropping from to get to drop B.</p>
<p>I'm enamored of the idea of a baritone CBG after watching some of Shane Speal's videos, but I'm trying to figure out what sort of tuning (he says something about drop C in one of his videos).</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p></p> The term Baritone does apply…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-07-02:2592684:Comment:33496102019-07-02T17:30:42.547ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>The term Baritone does apply to scale length, but as Jim Kurtz points out, heavy gauge string can get you convincing Baritone sound.</p>
<p>A Baritone scale is going to be tuned lower than a regular guitar scale and that brings lower tone like the heavier strings will also do while not technically being a Baritone scale. 25.5 isn't very far off from Baritone scale anyway.</p>
<p>The term Baritone does apply to scale length, but as Jim Kurtz points out, heavy gauge string can get you convincing Baritone sound.</p>
<p>A Baritone scale is going to be tuned lower than a regular guitar scale and that brings lower tone like the heavier strings will also do while not technically being a Baritone scale. 25.5 isn't very far off from Baritone scale anyway.</p> My first build was a 25.5” sc…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-07-01:2592684:Comment:33485732019-07-01T01:26:50.360ZJim Kurtzhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/JimKurtz
<p>My first build was a 25.5” scale acoustic pencil box.</p>
<p>Everywhere I read was Open G.</p>
<p>I wanted lower and found Open E. </p>
<p>So the strings I used are E .046, B .035, E .026</p>
<p>Now I found Open D or Drop D tuning. </p>
<p>I purchased a set of Dunlop Heavy Core for drop D tuning. .054 is heaviest string in the pack.</p>
<p>(these are electric guitar strings)</p>
<p>I think as long as you have the mix of strings to get you the deep you need scale could be anywhere from 25…</p>
<p>My first build was a 25.5” scale acoustic pencil box.</p>
<p>Everywhere I read was Open G.</p>
<p>I wanted lower and found Open E. </p>
<p>So the strings I used are E .046, B .035, E .026</p>
<p>Now I found Open D or Drop D tuning. </p>
<p>I purchased a set of Dunlop Heavy Core for drop D tuning. .054 is heaviest string in the pack.</p>
<p>(these are electric guitar strings)</p>
<p>I think as long as you have the mix of strings to get you the deep you need scale could be anywhere from 25 to 30.</p>
<p>My second build is a 25” inch Gitty made neck. Going to buy the Shane Spiel Open D strings for it. Will be my Grumbler. :)</p> Depends on how far off it is…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-06-11:2592684:Comment:33420802019-06-11T05:59:56.227ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>Depends on how far off it is on the 12th. A little compensation tuning is expected as long as the compensating doesn't ruin the open tuning, a lot means the intonation is off. ;)</p>
<p>I always tune open and then compensate at the 12th every time I tune up.</p>
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<p>Depends on how far off it is on the 12th. A little compensation tuning is expected as long as the compensating doesn't ruin the open tuning, a lot means the intonation is off. ;)</p>
<p>I always tune open and then compensate at the 12th every time I tune up.</p>
<p></p> Ie. G open fret, g on 12 fr…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-06-10:2592684:Comment:33419562019-06-10T19:25:29.043ZTim Pannabeckerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TimPannabecker
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<p>Ie. G open fret, g on 12 fret. I’ve got the</p>
<p>at but on the 12th fret it maybe flat or sharp, based a digital tuner.</p>
<p>Is that considered good, though not 100% “on” ?</p>
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<p>Ie. G open fret, g on 12 fret. I’ve got the</p>
<p>at but on the 12th fret it maybe flat or sharp, based a digital tuner.</p>
<p>Is that considered good, though not 100% “on” ?</p> As long as the 12th fret is a…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-06-10:2592684:Comment:33415592019-06-10T05:56:31.844ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>As long as the 12th fret is a octave above the nut, your in good enough territory. ;)</p>
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<p>As long as the 12th fret is a octave above the nut, your in good enough territory. ;)</p>
<p></p> It’s more than just an angle…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-06-09:2592684:Comment:33412382019-06-09T01:29:34.337ZTim Pannabeckerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TimPannabecker
<p>It’s more than just an angle it needs to be movable and not glued</p>
<p>I love the hard tail rollers, great flexibility. If I can’t make art and intonation, I don’t keep it.</p>
<p>my last two build intimated to a sharpe or flat, but the same not different octave. That’s an allowable tolerance, isn’t it?</p>
<p>It’s more than just an angle it needs to be movable and not glued</p>
<p>I love the hard tail rollers, great flexibility. If I can’t make art and intonation, I don’t keep it.</p>
<p>my last two build intimated to a sharpe or flat, but the same not different octave. That’s an allowable tolerance, isn’t it?</p> Intonation is a whole other c…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-06-08:2592684:Comment:33409182019-06-08T08:21:13.426ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>Intonation is a whole other can of worms. Haha</p>
<p>Not every string will have intonation at the same length.</p>
<p>Ever see a guitar with the bridge at an angle? That's the right way to get intonation for every string. If your bridge is straight up and down, you won't have intonation for every string.</p>
<p>A single piece bridge like a screw/bolt/key should be at the right scale length(from fretboard side of the nut to bridge), then the low string side should be moved 3mm towards the…</p>
<p>Intonation is a whole other can of worms. Haha</p>
<p>Not every string will have intonation at the same length.</p>
<p>Ever see a guitar with the bridge at an angle? That's the right way to get intonation for every string. If your bridge is straight up and down, you won't have intonation for every string.</p>
<p>A single piece bridge like a screw/bolt/key should be at the right scale length(from fretboard side of the nut to bridge), then the low string side should be moved 3mm towards the end of guitar while the high string side gets moved 3mm towards the fretboard. If this doesn't achieve intonation, then a little tweaking will do it.</p>
<p>If you have individual saddle pieces, then each saddle will need adjusting separately but with the same idea of angle.</p> Longer/Lower scale. Think Bas…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-06-08:2592684:Comment:33408372019-06-08T07:56:54.773ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>Longer/Lower scale. Think Bass. Bass is 28' to 30" for Short Scale Bass, 32" to 34" for regular scale bass. Baritone is in between Guitar and Bass, 26" to 28". Difference between Baritone Guitar and Short Scale Bass is the gauge of strings. Baritone strings are longer than regular string sets and are gauge 68-56-44-26w-18-14, Bass(short and long) 100-80-65-45.</p>
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<p>Longer/Lower scale. Think Bass. Bass is 28' to 30" for Short Scale Bass, 32" to 34" for regular scale bass. Baritone is in between Guitar and Bass, 26" to 28". Difference between Baritone Guitar and Short Scale Bass is the gauge of strings. Baritone strings are longer than regular string sets and are gauge 68-56-44-26w-18-14, Bass(short and long) 100-80-65-45.</p>
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