Viol Build 1b - Cigar Box Nation2024-03-29T05:12:14Zhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum/topics/viol-build-1b?feed=yes&xn_auth=noNut attached. Now all that's…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-17:2592684:Comment:31021262018-04-17T08:02:01.150ZGreg Turnerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/GregTurner
Nut attached. Now all that's left is a single peg hole and holes in the pegs where you thread the strings.
Nut attached. Now all that's left is a single peg hole and holes in the pegs where you thread the strings. Where's the pics?tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-16:2592684:Comment:31014942018-04-16T18:27:54.747ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>Where's the pics?</p>
<p>Where's the pics?</p> Did I mention it's Erich Zann…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-16:2592684:Comment:31013022018-04-16T10:48:16.370ZGreg Turnerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/GregTurner
Did I mention it's Erich Zann's viol?
Did I mention it's Erich Zann's viol? I put a protective coat on th…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-16:2592684:Comment:31012262018-04-16T08:31:56.256ZGreg Turnerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/GregTurner
I put a protective coat on the top plate of my viol. I had to put a curve in the fingerboard too, paint it, put a protective coating, and attach it. I also cut the tailpiece, painted it, attached it, and put strings through the holes I drilled. I put notches for the strings on the bridge, but I haven't fitted the nut or reamed the peg holes yet. This is the final stretch.
I put a protective coat on the top plate of my viol. I had to put a curve in the fingerboard too, paint it, put a protective coating, and attach it. I also cut the tailpiece, painted it, attached it, and put strings through the holes I drilled. I put notches for the strings on the bridge, but I haven't fitted the nut or reamed the peg holes yet. This is the final stretch. Another bridge imploded so I…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-14:2592684:Comment:30994142018-04-14T04:14:19.707ZGreg Turnerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/GregTurner
Another bridge imploded so I took out the sharp corners. If it doesn't implode upon sanding I should be good to go.
Another bridge imploded so I took out the sharp corners. If it doesn't implode upon sanding I should be good to go. Did some research and discove…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-13:2592684:Comment:30987142018-04-13T04:00:55.996ZGreg Turnerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/GregTurner
Did some research and discovered that when viols are flat topped, the bridge shouldn't be as far back. I also saw that the reason for sound posts was because the instrument is bowed instead of plucked. Guitar strings vibrate a little at an anGlenn initially then settle into an up and down motion which causes a certain kind of undulation in the top plate especially with a flat bridge. Bowed strings vibrate side to side and a different kind of undulation in the top occurs so they benefit more…
Did some research and discovered that when viols are flat topped, the bridge shouldn't be as far back. I also saw that the reason for sound posts was because the instrument is bowed instead of plucked. Guitar strings vibrate a little at an anGlenn initially then settle into an up and down motion which causes a certain kind of undulation in the top plate especially with a flat bridge. Bowed strings vibrate side to side and a different kind of undulation in the top occurs so they benefit more from bass bars, sound posts, and bracing. Guitar bracing does affect the sound but much of the work it's doing is structural. Bowed instruments have a dramatic increase in tonal quality if the top is arched, if it has bracing, if there's a sound post, and if it has a tall bridge even though most of the energy is lost through the bridge, it's the only way to make it sound good. I put bracing. I've got several pictures of the build at stages. Promise to upload the progress. Braces currently drying on the top plate. Because I used "through body" neck construction, there's no sound or structural benefit from back bracing especially since I used hardboard for that. I cut the top, back and sides…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-12:2592684:Comment:30984512018-04-12T21:59:11.206ZGreg Turnerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/GregTurner
I cut the top, back and sides, then glued the sides onto the back using a large drawing board and a ton of books to function as the clamps. Just waiting for it to dry.
I cut the top, back and sides, then glued the sides onto the back using a large drawing board and a ton of books to function as the clamps. Just waiting for it to dry. Sorry I wasn't more clear, I…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-12:2592684:Comment:30982372018-04-12T17:51:17.078ZPaul Craighttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/PaulCraig
<p>Sorry I wasn't more clear, I meant your wood choice for the side will be fine as long as it's sturdy because the sides don't offer much for tone. Tone comes from mostly the top and some from the back. </p>
<p>I would look at some acoustic guitar internal pics for good bracing techniques for the top, back and sides.</p>
<p>A center block is a bit of a catch 22 situation. It robs you of some volume, but adds sustain. I have a ES330 clone guitar with a 1"x1" center block and kerfing around the…</p>
<p>Sorry I wasn't more clear, I meant your wood choice for the side will be fine as long as it's sturdy because the sides don't offer much for tone. Tone comes from mostly the top and some from the back. </p>
<p>I would look at some acoustic guitar internal pics for good bracing techniques for the top, back and sides.</p>
<p>A center block is a bit of a catch 22 situation. It robs you of some volume, but adds sustain. I have a ES330 clone guitar with a 1"x1" center block and kerfing around the edges of top and back. Top, back and sides(3/16th" thick) are plywood with no other bracing. It's held up very good since 1965. Doesn't have a lot of acoustic volume, but it sustains very well. The thinner diameter you use for the center block, the more added volume you'll get. You just have to find the right measurements for the block.</p> That should read 1/8 in. pane…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-12:2592684:Comment:30977842018-04-12T12:43:21.351ZGreg Turnerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/GregTurner
That should read 1/8 in. panelling for the top.
That should read 1/8 in. panelling for the top. Thanks for loading the photo.…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2018-04-12:2592684:Comment:30977832018-04-12T12:41:10.275ZGreg Turnerhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/GregTurner
Thanks for loading the photo. I've changed the top to look more like a viol. I just took a photo but I guess I should edit it first.<br />
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Hey Paul,<br />
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what do you mean the sides will be fine? I saw another build and they said if spanning more than 11 inches then it will need bracing. That photo shows the bottom spanning more than 11 inches. Now the upper part does too. I'm using 1/48 in. paneling for the top (the kind all white on one side and and 1/8 in. hardboard/Masonite for the back (ot's also…
Thanks for loading the photo. I've changed the top to look more like a viol. I just took a photo but I guess I should edit it first.<br />
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Hey Paul,<br />
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what do you mean the sides will be fine? I saw another build and they said if spanning more than 11 inches then it will need bracing. That photo shows the bottom spanning more than 11 inches. Now the upper part does too. I'm using 1/48 in. paneling for the top (the kind all white on one side and and 1/8 in. hardboard/Masonite for the back (ot's also white on one side. Usually a cello has a bass bar inside running top to bottom but I suspect it doesn't need that. I'm concerned the top is too flimsy though for how far I'm spanning. I didn't want to have to go to all the trouble of making bracing. Just a sound post. You think it'll be ok or should I make the top thicker or use bracing? I'm using 1/4 in. toe kick for the sides. That's the stuff that goes syands vertically where your toes can kick under the cupboards. I was going to put hinges connecting it's angles but too much work. Maybe I'll just glue it.<br />
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Stairwell safety rails sound like the thing.!