Bridge questions - Cigar Box Nation2024-03-29T01:39:26Zhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum/topics/bridge-questions-1?feed=yes&xn_auth=noLuthiers in a factory work of…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-09:2592684:Comment:33188582019-04-09T17:28:31.796ZBrianQ.https://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/BrianQ
<p>Luthiers in a factory work off of jigs & templates, so the measuring has already been done for them, they just measure to confirm it’s within the correct parameters? Once you’ve done one, it’s all gravy from that point, taff is right on the money tho?</p>
<p>Luthiers in a factory work off of jigs & templates, so the measuring has already been done for them, they just measure to confirm it’s within the correct parameters? Once you’ve done one, it’s all gravy from that point, taff is right on the money tho?</p> Thanks Taff, I have the means…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-09:2592684:Comment:33189362019-04-09T09:16:53.666ZKOOL DOG HOOCHhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/WillBonner
<p>Thanks Taff, I have the means to, but not the intentions of getting that damn technical. I want it to sound right, but I'm also a "close enough it looks good from my house" type of person! Its a CBG not a handmade $2000 flat top! I'll dial it in with a tuner as best as I can and go from there. Thanks again for the advice.</p>
<p>Thanks Taff, I have the means to, but not the intentions of getting that damn technical. I want it to sound right, but I'm also a "close enough it looks good from my house" type of person! Its a CBG not a handmade $2000 flat top! I'll dial it in with a tuner as best as I can and go from there. Thanks again for the advice.</p> Yes that may be The measureme…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-09:2592684:Comment:33190332019-04-09T02:43:14.828ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Yes that may be The measurements, but it still needs action height and string mass/diameter to be factored in for final fine tuning, as explained posts below.</p>
<p>I can't measure that small a number so I use my tuner and ears and eyes. Ha ha.</p>
<p>What you are compensating for is the different stretch rates of the different strings as you push them down to the fingerboard. If playing slide only you may not need to compensate as you are not fingering so not stretching the…</p>
<p>Yes that may be The measurements, but it still needs action height and string mass/diameter to be factored in for final fine tuning, as explained posts below.</p>
<p>I can't measure that small a number so I use my tuner and ears and eyes. Ha ha.</p>
<p>What you are compensating for is the different stretch rates of the different strings as you push them down to the fingerboard. If playing slide only you may not need to compensate as you are not fingering so not stretching the strings</p>
<p>Taff</p> Is this what Stew Mac talking…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-09:2592684:Comment:33187562019-04-09T02:28:41.830ZKOOL DOG HOOCHhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/WillBonner
<p>Is this what Stew Mac talking about using the fret calculator for 17 frets, 25.5 scale acoustic guitar. </p>
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<tr align="left" valign="top"><td colspan="2">Distance indicated is from the fretboard edge of the nut, to the break-angle of the string at the peak of the saddle.<span> </span><br></br><ul>
<li><b>Treble "E" or 1st…</b></li>
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<p>Is this what Stew Mac talking about using the fret calculator for 17 frets, 25.5 scale acoustic guitar. </p>
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<tbody><tr align="left" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><h2>Bridge placement for 25.500" scale length</h2>
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<tr align="left" valign="top"><td colspan="2">Distance indicated is from the fretboard edge of the nut, to the break-angle of the string at the peak of the saddle.<span> </span><br/><ul>
<li><b>Treble "E" or 1st string:</b><span> </span>25.589" (± 0.030")</li>
<li><b>Bass "E" or 6th string:</b><span> </span>25.715" (± 0.030")</li>
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</table> Nothing ventured nothing gain…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-09:2592684:Comment:33187392019-04-09T00:09:00.082ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Nothing ventured nothing gained. </p>
<p>Theres a saying I used to work by when I worked with people with disability years ago it was "try another way" I still keep that mind in my workshop now.</p>
<p>Taff</p>
<p>Nothing ventured nothing gained. </p>
<p>Theres a saying I used to work by when I worked with people with disability years ago it was "try another way" I still keep that mind in my workshop now.</p>
<p>Taff</p> plus you can check the neck p…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-08:2592684:Comment:33189172019-04-08T23:58:56.420ZDaniel Walterhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/DanielWalter
<p>plus you can check the neck position with the two strings. bit of fiddling required, not for the less than focused mind.....................</p>
<p>plus you can check the neck position with the two strings. bit of fiddling required, not for the less than focused mind.....................</p> thank you Taffy. makes sense.tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-08:2592684:Comment:33190262019-04-08T23:56:15.937ZDaniel Walterhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/DanielWalter
<p>thank you Taffy. makes sense.</p>
<p>thank you Taffy. makes sense.</p> Hi Daniel, what I would, and…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-08:2592684:Comment:33188092019-04-08T23:51:35.929ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi Daniel, what I would, and do, is before fitting the bridge permanently lay it on the top with the strings fitted to the guitar and tuned up. </p>
<p>Your bridge will be in the " ball park" scale lengnth position. Set your intonation in the normal way with your desired action height and string gauge by moving the bridge and referencing a digital tuner. When you are happy mark the posi with tape. Fit the bridge when ready. If your strings terminate at the bridge take them to the tail using…</p>
<p>Hi Daniel, what I would, and do, is before fitting the bridge permanently lay it on the top with the strings fitted to the guitar and tuned up. </p>
<p>Your bridge will be in the " ball park" scale lengnth position. Set your intonation in the normal way with your desired action height and string gauge by moving the bridge and referencing a digital tuner. When you are happy mark the posi with tape. Fit the bridge when ready. If your strings terminate at the bridge take them to the tail using a mock up tailpiece.</p>
<p>i only use the two outside strings for this set up. I got photos if it helps.</p>
<p>Taff</p> hi folks. good info, i get it…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-08:2592684:Comment:33190152019-04-08T22:46:34.195ZDaniel Walterhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/DanielWalter
<p>hi folks. good info, i get it. what i don't get is that the bridge i'm about to install has anchors, pieces that go into the wood. you know what i'm speaking of. drill large holes, sink these things in, then they accept the threads to hold the bridge. like many chrome tail pieces. so i recon ya gotta measure, then install. so moving the bridge around after is not an option. bothers me. many factory guitars use these mounting methods. so how do you know how to get it right the first time?…</p>
<p>hi folks. good info, i get it. what i don't get is that the bridge i'm about to install has anchors, pieces that go into the wood. you know what i'm speaking of. drill large holes, sink these things in, then they accept the threads to hold the bridge. like many chrome tail pieces. so i recon ya gotta measure, then install. so moving the bridge around after is not an option. bothers me. many factory guitars use these mounting methods. so how do you know how to get it right the first time? measure. twice?</p> Hi Will, the bridge is set at…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2019-04-08:2592684:Comment:33187212019-04-08T22:15:14.018ZTaffy Evanshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi Will, the bridge is set at an angle as explained for getting the correct length for each string.</p>
<p>On full size guitars the bridges are straight and the saddle only is angled to get correct string lengths.</p>
<p>Electric guitars normally have individual adjustable saddles and some acoustic guitars mandolins, and arch top guitars have wider saddles which are shaped so each string length is catered for.</p>
<p>The scewing of the bridge is done regardless of the adjustability of string…</p>
<p>Hi Will, the bridge is set at an angle as explained for getting the correct length for each string.</p>
<p>On full size guitars the bridges are straight and the saddle only is angled to get correct string lengths.</p>
<p>Electric guitars normally have individual adjustable saddles and some acoustic guitars mandolins, and arch top guitars have wider saddles which are shaped so each string length is catered for.</p>
<p>The scewing of the bridge is done regardless of the adjustability of string height.</p>
<p>However the amount of scewing (compensation) is governed by string thickness and the string height (action) above the frets, normally measured at the 12th fret, sometimes at other frets.</p>
<p>Because all guitars, scale lengths, string compositions and other factors are different any "formula would put you "ball park", one normally fine tunes using a digital tuner. Plenty of info on here re doing that.</p>
<p>Taff</p>