"Testing" a box for bridge placement - Cigar Box Nation2024-03-28T15:38:04Zhttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum/topics/testing-a-box-for-bridge?groupUrl=superclass&commentId=2592684%3AComment%3A381768&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNo, that took longer......
Bu…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2013-07-11:2592684:Comment:16380122013-07-11T05:54:55.359ZMark Blisshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/MarkBliss
<p>No, that took longer......</p>
<p>But it hasnt helped my typing either.........</p>
<p>Fumble fingers, thats me! I really can spell somewhat better than it may sometimes appear. Really, I can!</p>
<p>Edit, again.</p>
<p>No, that took longer......</p>
<p>But it hasnt helped my typing either.........</p>
<p>Fumble fingers, thats me! I really can spell somewhat better than it may sometimes appear. Really, I can!</p>
<p>Edit, again.</p> Is that where you learned all…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2013-07-11:2592684:Comment:16379322013-07-11T05:50:06.378ZStarrCBGs(Donovan)https://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/Starrcigarboxguitars
<p>Is that where you learned all the big words. :)</p>
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<p>Is that where you learned all the big words. :)</p>
<p></p> OK, I went back on my claim I…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2013-07-11:2592684:Comment:16380962013-07-11T05:43:22.937ZMark Blisshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/MarkBliss
<p>OK, I went back on my claim I wasnt going to re-read this beast, and at least skimmed it, and it pretty much appears that what I wrote above is redundant. Imagine that!</p>
<p>But one thing I wanted to add, Siminoff's books are mentioned near the beginning. I have since purchased and read (and in some cases re-read several times) every one of his books. So I thought I would comment on them quickly.</p>
<p>His book on tap tuning/voicing is not the best, though it has some interesting ideas…</p>
<p>OK, I went back on my claim I wasnt going to re-read this beast, and at least skimmed it, and it pretty much appears that what I wrote above is redundant. Imagine that!</p>
<p>But one thing I wanted to add, Siminoff's books are mentioned near the beginning. I have since purchased and read (and in some cases re-read several times) every one of his books. So I thought I would comment on them quickly.</p>
<p>His book on tap tuning/voicing is not the best, though it has some interesting ideas and many times shows some of his very interesting fixtures, tests and research. I just found it a bit dis-jointed and didnt really think it did much more than raise more questions in my mind. Not to say it was bad or had no use, just saying I cant rave about it and recommend it as being extensive or conclusive.</p>
<p>On the other hand, his book on Mandolin design and construction would make my "must read" list for anyone who builds small acoustic instruments, and as a bonus contains most of the pertinent tuning/voicing info contained in the prior book. I will warn you, you will probably want to build a Mando after devouring this book.</p> Granted larger boxes 3" will…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2013-07-11:2592684:Comment:16380912013-07-11T05:33:26.559ZStarrCBGs(Donovan)https://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/Starrcigarboxguitars
<p>Granted larger boxes 3" will not work so the tail piece comes into play or you lose frets.</p>
<p>Granted larger boxes 3" will not work so the tail piece comes into play or you lose frets.</p> "And I think you are over thi…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2013-07-11:2592684:Comment:16379942013-07-11T04:27:14.479ZMark Blisshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/MarkBliss
<p>"And I think you are over thinking it a little. :)"</p>
<p>Isnt that the whole point?</p>
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<p>Donovan revived the thread! Donovan revived the thread!</p>
<p>3 inches then. Hmm. You have no idea what you have done!</p>
<p>I disagree. I think.......</p>
<p> </p>
<p>3 inches...... gonna be a large relative difference between the larger box size range and smaller.....</p>
<p>But then I think you are focusing on string break angle geometry. So I see your point, but....... Acoustically?…</p>
<p>"And I think you are over thinking it a little. :)"</p>
<p>Isnt that the whole point?</p>
<p></p>
<p>Donovan revived the thread! Donovan revived the thread!</p>
<p>3 inches then. Hmm. You have no idea what you have done!</p>
<p>I disagree. I think.......</p>
<p> </p>
<p>3 inches...... gonna be a large relative difference between the larger box size range and smaller.....</p>
<p>But then I think you are focusing on string break angle geometry. So I see your point, but....... Acoustically? Important aspect but its just not as simple as that.</p>
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<p>Ok, this thread is about two years old. (No! I am NOT going to re-read this thing!) I have done some (actually quite a bit) more studying that is potentially relevent, but I dont think it has changed my opinions as expressed here too much. But maybe I do look at some things differently. And as I recall we did a bit of supposin'. And keep in mind, CBG is but one little aspect of what I do or what interests me, stringed instrument wise, so------</p>
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<p>So heres what I am currently thinking, in a nutshell. Synergy.</p>
<p>When we were throwing these ideas around I was mostly focused on box size and depth, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">bridge location</span>, (thanks John Maw! long time no talk!) sound hole location and size and how it all affected output with <strong>volume and projection</strong> as a primary concern.</p>
<p>Several areas I have really spent some time studying since then. Theories on tuning and voicing acoustical instruments and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_resonance" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Helmholtz theory</a> of resonance especially, have made me look at these things a little differently.</p>
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<p>Perhaps the most thought provoking input was from a new aquantance I have made in the field of mountain dulcimer lutherie, who pointed out that in some instruments, both the instrument design and playing style are often developed to use resonance and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">sustain</span> to make up for limitations in volume and output level......... Hmmm!</p>
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<p>There are just so many subtle little relationships that might make up an optimized solution!</p>
<p>But a wise contributor to this thread also said, "just build the thing and see how it works! Then build another ! and another!" (Hi Micheal! Bet you missed us!)</p>
<p>Another bit of wise advise from the dude who first started this entire web site.</p>
<p>"Shutup and learn to play the #&%$#in' thing and none of that *%&&$#^&#^#it will really matter!" (Hi Shane!)</p>
<p>Yep, I'm bettin' yer gonna regret replying to this one. LOL!</p>
<p>But then it was 13 pages, and 13 is considered unlucky right?</p>
<p>I'm still blaming you Donovan, seriosly! :<)</p>
<p>Best regards to all!</p>
<p>Mark</p> And I think you are over thin…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2013-07-11:2592684:Comment:16377452013-07-11T02:37:19.573ZStarrCBGs(Donovan)https://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/Starrcigarboxguitars
<p>And I think you are over thinking it a little. :)</p>
<p>And I think you are over thinking it a little. :)</p> For me placement of the bridg…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2013-07-11:2592684:Comment:16378212013-07-11T02:32:32.624ZStarrCBGs(Donovan)https://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/Starrcigarboxguitars
<p>For me placement of the bridge is 3 inches from the end of any box. This will insure that there is enough tension over the bridge.</p>
<p>For me placement of the bridge is 3 inches from the end of any box. This will insure that there is enough tension over the bridge.</p> So you want to be the watcher…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-10-06:2592684:Comment:8469222011-10-06T10:59:00.809ZMark Blisshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/MarkBliss
So you want to be the watcher do ya? LOL!<br/><br/><cite>MichaelS Country Boy Guitars said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Watching... always watching...</div>
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So you want to be the watcher do ya? LOL!<br/><br/><cite>MichaelS Country Boy Guitars said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Watching... always watching...</div>
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</blockquote> I know this is an old discuss…tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-10-06:2592684:Comment:8468352011-10-06T10:37:29.788ZHippy Chiphttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/chipmcgirk
<p>I know this is an old discussion, but I finally have some good feedback.</p>
<p>I recently(last week) built a 3-stringer just for the look of the box, not really expecting anything but a good looking toy.</p>
<p>Much to my suprise, it sounds so good, I have added it to my personal collection. It is a 3 string fretless, and the box is solid spanish cedar. All of my builds are acoustic first, the piezo is just for playing in a crowded area.</p>
<p>My point is really simple, they all sound…</p>
<p>I know this is an old discussion, but I finally have some good feedback.</p>
<p>I recently(last week) built a 3-stringer just for the look of the box, not really expecting anything but a good looking toy.</p>
<p>Much to my suprise, it sounds so good, I have added it to my personal collection. It is a 3 string fretless, and the box is solid spanish cedar. All of my builds are acoustic first, the piezo is just for playing in a crowded area.</p>
<p>My point is really simple, they all sound good, especially if you tune them DAD/CGC.</p>
<p>I will definitely need at least a half dozen for myself tuned differently so I can play anything I want just with the slider.</p>
<p> </p> Watching... always watching...tag:www.cigarboxnation.com,2011-10-03:2592684:Comment:8436782011-10-03T14:32:00.577ZMichaelS Country Boy Guitarshttps://www.cigarboxnation.com/profile/MichaelS
Watching... always watching...
Watching... always watching...